Attacker

Light Thrown: 1419 59.48% clear (0/34)

Defender

Shield Usage: 1229 18.98% clear (0/34)

Evasion: 1428 28.15% clear (0/34)

Weapon

A light haralun throwing axe is a light thrown and medium edged melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:

poor (2/26) puncture damage

very heavy (10/26) slice damage

moderate (7/26) impact damage

The throwing axe is inadequately (4/17) designed for improving the force of your attacks.

You are certain that the axe is fairly (5/17) balanced and is decently (6/17) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the throwing axe is very strong against damage (14/18), and is in pristine condition (98-100%).

You are certain that the throwing axe weighs exactly 45 stones.

Shield

You are certain that it imposes trivial (2/15) maneuvering hindrance.

This shield is small in size.

You are certain that the shield offers terrible (2/26) to better than fair (9/26) protection.

heavy (9/26) impact damage

You are certain that the shield is fairly (5/17) balanced and is poorly (3/17) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the small shield is rather reinforced against damage (11/18), and is in good condition (80-89%). <--- didn't realize until after test, may have affected numbers

Defender was insig hindered in his armor(all cloth)
Relevant attacking and defending stats were identical(100)
No buffs for either party

Data:

LOB:
Tries: 100
Hit: 0
Miss: 100

THROW:
Tries: 100
Hit: 3
Miss: 97
'light'(1)
'good' (2)

HURL
Tries: 100
Hit: 12
Miss: 88
'light' (1)
'good' (8)
'solid' (1)
'hard' (2)

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IM: Dannyboy00001111

"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."

Thrown is just so hard to use on anything even in 3.0 it seems. I use it as my prime weapon, and as a necromancer can barely hunt with it at level even when using debuffs, and in pvp its a joke to even bother trying. I understand the fact that while outclassing or utilizing a lot of buffs, the damage can stack up pretty quick, but at this point i'm hitting a lot easier with brawling or SE with 100 ranks or more less and that just isn't right. Its a precarious situation though because as I stated before, once you begin to hit a lot its easy to rack up the damage. The only thing I could think of off the top of my head is an attack that is a lot more accurate but gives a bit more RT than the others, even hurl.

Gort, I'd love to see that test with the same stances and a reason or well balanced thrown, just to see what difference (if any) balance makes these days.

Combat only cares about %s. The actual # of points is meaningless.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

The 66% number is wrong for PvP. Likely my fault - we've changed it a number of times this past year in response to testing and player feedback. A purely even attack in PvP has closer to a 25% chance to hit.

I often forget that 7 out of 10 Critters don't use all 3 defenses. They suffer a moderate to large defensive penalty because of this and your chance of hitting one in even combat is close to 66%.

Defense is favored in DR combat because offensive buffs count almost twice as much as defensive buffs. They apply before the OF gets scaled up and compared to the defense score. This includes AIM bonuses and maneuver bonuses. Defense is also more heavily penalized by balance, hindrance, debuffs, previously attacking, etc.

Please keep in mind that 18 extra stance points is pretty equivalent to a defensive buff spell, and combined with the defense bonus from DODGE, lack of balance bonus to the THROWN user and the random THROW penalty (which is now much less)... it isn't as balanced as it might first appear.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes