Well, if they weren't aoe it would only cost 1 slot more, which if you look at what each spell does individually makes sense. Adding aoe makes the costs double.

FGM Ricinus
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That whole naphtha boost isn't even all that great now that Pyre can't readily ignite naphtha due it it requiring a body part-targeted shot nowadays and Pyre being a random hit. I used to enjoy using naphtha from time to time, but now it's too irritating for me to care much about. I know it's a separate issue from spell slot cost, but I wouldn't be sad if it disappeared and thus reduced the cost.

-Broichan Leshyahen

> hum tuneless
You hum a tuneless tune.

Fatigue drain costs more than the naphtha thing. This shouldn't be surprising, as it has much broader applications.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Could someone put a summary of what spells changed their slot cost, went from cyclic to non-cyclic, and had any other major (or minor) changes? I haven't had time to check out test, and all the information seems to be scattered over several different posts. A 3.1 Bard page on E-pedia would be great, too, if someone has the time for it.

> here's the current lineup of spells and their prereqs and costs for the guild.

I really think Misd is in the wrong spellbook. You're creating silence around yourself while simultaneously creating distracting noises around the enemy. Seems like textbook Sound Manipulation. Emotion Control can have Hodi or Drum in exchange.

>> With the caveat that things in test are still mutable, here's the current lineup of spells and their prereqs and costs for the guild.

*Thumbs up*

Thanks Broichan.

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~Dreamheart Delaevan Forestwolf
Broken Bard since January 19, 2013 - 2 Dolefaren 407

You should be running out of slots - picking certain spells vs feats and so forth should be a choice.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>> The real pain comes when I'm forced to spend slots on spells I don't want

I second this.

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~Dreamheart Delaevan Forestwolf
Broken Bard since January 19, 2013 - 2 Dolefaren 407

>>Still think screams shouldn't be spells especially with how TM is these days, but that's in the future anyways.

The thing that's nice about screams is that they are an instant effect rather than prep, wait, cast. That's the big thing that I don't want to see go away.

> The real pain comes when I'm forced to spend slots on spells I don't want

>I second this.

I don't play a bard (or honestly any magic users anymore) but isn't that part and parcel with the systems? I have to take barb abilities I don't want to stack to the ones I do, same with Khri, have to take a couple I wouldn't otherwise use to get the combos.

I don't believe I have ever hear Silvy utter the words, intro, basic, advanced, or esoteric. So I don't know how we could confirm it anyway.

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~Dreamheart Delaevan Forestwolf
Broken Bard since January 19, 2013 - 2 Dolefaren 407

Because it's a combat skill that does damage which means it needs to use TM, this was a mandate put in place years and years ago that screams never conformed to and has been an outstanding issue the entire time. This decision predates my joining staff (So going on four years now), though I'm responsible the current plan of salvaging them as a TM spell instead of just removing them as a damage ability. They were going to be a psuedo non-spell that used TM but down that path lies madness (And a massive amount of custom code that all begs the question 'why isn't this just a spell?'). I don't think anyone can argue that destroying people with your voice isn't supernatural.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

This is part of why it's been left alone so long, I need to see how magic settles out (and we're close) before I can really look at where Bards are and figure out where their abilities step in so Bards aren't left with unwanted gaps or redundant spells/abilities.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

> Because all bard mojo is going to run off core magic.

This is very wrong.

Clerics have Communes, Paladins have glyphs, Empaths have manipulate, Moon Mages have prediction, etc, etc. If damaging effects have to run through a combat skill, that's fine, but can we at least keep our non-damaging screams as screams? I would really hate to see every ability turned into prep/cast, prep/cast.

The current plan for Screams is a spell called Voice of Thunder (Or Thunderous Voice, I flip flop terribly on which I like better) which will lie dormant on you with several changes. While the spell is active you can SCREAM blah blah syntax to be decided to release a scream attack instantly (Much like Dragon's Breath or Blufmor Garaen). You'll be able to vary this into a few different types of screams (Though some may require metaspells to activate, it depends on how exactly we decide to break up the slot cost).

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Bards will have a suite of abilities (Some existing, some not) that will run off Bardic Lore comparable to the prediction system and astrology, or communes and theology and so forth.

Screams are the only currently existing Bard ability that is turning into a spell.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose