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<<welcome to 3 years ago. On a side note Felicia Day is fairly hot.>>
Yes she is. :) So, which of the Knights of Good character does Clynlyn resmble?
Vork?
"You're asking me why having just arrived you need to be at the back of the line? Let me offer you a historical perspective, at the beginning of the common era people attending events simply gathered in mass clustered and clumped together in an unorganized manner after several thousand years of this, they solely gravitated to the back of individual fellows, and began to stand behind one another in a horizontal fashion! Forming what they now commonly refer to as the LINE! Going against that, flies in the face of thousands of years of evolution and encourages utter CHAOS!"
"A lot of order is a BETTER THING! Vork, leader of the knights of good!"
LOL
- Simon
DWARB-POWER
MACCABEE1
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/09/2009 06:45 PM CST
thats why communication is important. even in conflictual situation, having *respect" for the other player is the key-word here.
such things as -
whisper person "OOC hey, i have to go to work in 15 minutes, can we continue this tomorrow?"
or "OOC person "I'm uncomfortable with this situation, can you aim me at whateveraim?"
having respect for other people behind the character is the antithethesis of someone out just to grief others, and will mean more people will want to play along with you in the future.
The undead hordes would like to take this moment to remind you that they are quite happy to eat your brains so that you may test new depart.Please consider it.Hugs and kisses, Team Necro.
such things as -
whisper person "OOC hey, i have to go to work in 15 minutes, can we continue this tomorrow?"
or "OOC person "I'm uncomfortable with this situation, can you aim me at whateveraim?"
having respect for other people behind the character is the antithethesis of someone out just to grief others, and will mean more people will want to play along with you in the future.
The undead hordes would like to take this moment to remind you that they are quite happy to eat your brains so that you may test new depart.Please consider it.Hugs and kisses, Team Necro.
JULIAN
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/09/2009 06:51 PM CST
Absolutely, you should have respect for the person RPing with you and respect any OOC desires they express as long as they act consistent with their stated desires.
Sometimes bad things are going to happen to one or the other party, though, and someone is not going to like it. In those situations you shouldn't be open to a retaliatory report because a situation that was ok with them suddenly became not ok.
And sometimes people don't interact in good faith.
- Mazrian
The Flying Company
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/huldahspal/flyingcompany.png
Sometimes bad things are going to happen to one or the other party, though, and someone is not going to like it. In those situations you shouldn't be open to a retaliatory report because a situation that was ok with them suddenly became not ok.
And sometimes people don't interact in good faith.
- Mazrian
The Flying Company
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/huldahspal/flyingcompany.png
LORZELOPHIA
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/09/2009 07:10 PM CST
| Advocates of Open, |
| Would you concede the rights of players killed without an in character purpose* to be included under either the Harassment or Disruptive Behaviors policies? For which they can report? |
| *An in character purpose defined: Someone you have provoked in any way at any time, from the lowest slur to first degree murder, even through their relations. |
I think harassment should have to be something that is happening persistently, despite recorded attempts by the harass-ee to indicate to the other party that they are not interested in interacting with the harasser. (Warn interact or warn harassment would be a good way to indicate this, if people could manage to use them correctly.)
What one person thinks is harassment another person thinks is a good reason to kill someone, and anyway most of that stuff is impossible to track, resulting in a he-said, she-said, first-person-to-report-wins sort of scenario.
-- Player of Szrael --
You hear the voice of Solomon exclaim, "HAX!"
You scream!
KOUGEN
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/09/2009 07:45 PM CST
>OK who cares, let whoever wants to be guarded remain that way and just don't interact with them in a way that will lead to conflict or at the very least make sure you have your bases covered for consent.
That's not a productive solution, really. People have been doing that and we're exploring ways to take the next step toward a system that works more smoothly and requires players to be more more honest about their preferences while protecting both sides.
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>Would you concede the rights of players killed without an in character purpose* to be included under either the Harassment or Disruptive Behaviors policies? For which they can report?
Doing away with consent and relying on harassment policy has been suggested. The problem is that NOBODY can define where the line is drawn so it's almost impossible to protect the interests of players who aren't into shrugging off "just a little abuse".
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>The way I read PvP profiles is that Open says "If you do something to my character that I don't like, regardless of "rp intentions", I will still try to play along with it." and Guarded says "If you do something to my character that I don't like, regardless of "rp intentions", I reserve the right to use capital-C consent to cost you access to your character for a while."
That's one way to interpret it, and it's certainly the way that players who know their actions may be against policy will interpret them. So then, which solution to this do you favor and why?
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>>"or you didn't perceive you won the situation"
>Mazrian, I am not sure how you managed to twist my words to mean this,
I could answer this for you, but suffice to say I'd have to move my post to conflicts. I suggest just not responding.
That's not a productive solution, really. People have been doing that and we're exploring ways to take the next step toward a system that works more smoothly and requires players to be more more honest about their preferences while protecting both sides.
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>Would you concede the rights of players killed without an in character purpose* to be included under either the Harassment or Disruptive Behaviors policies? For which they can report?
Doing away with consent and relying on harassment policy has been suggested. The problem is that NOBODY can define where the line is drawn so it's almost impossible to protect the interests of players who aren't into shrugging off "just a little abuse".
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>The way I read PvP profiles is that Open says "If you do something to my character that I don't like, regardless of "rp intentions", I will still try to play along with it." and Guarded says "If you do something to my character that I don't like, regardless of "rp intentions", I reserve the right to use capital-C consent to cost you access to your character for a while."
That's one way to interpret it, and it's certainly the way that players who know their actions may be against policy will interpret them. So then, which solution to this do you favor and why?
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>>"or you didn't perceive you won the situation"
>Mazrian, I am not sure how you managed to twist my words to mean this,
I could answer this for you, but suffice to say I'd have to move my post to conflicts. I suggest just not responding.
ALECZ
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/09/2009 07:55 PM CST
>>This is what Guarded should be, in my opinion.
Precisely. I would venture to say that there are a lot of people like me. I'd also venture to say that the many like me would happily expect that people that report after an IC conflict be chastised or locked for Disruptive Behavior.
"So it is a sword, It just happens to function like a key in very specific situations."
"...or it's a key all the time, and when you stick it in people, it unlocks their death."
Precisely. I would venture to say that there are a lot of people like me. I'd also venture to say that the many like me would happily expect that people that report after an IC conflict be chastised or locked for Disruptive Behavior.
"So it is a sword, It just happens to function like a key in very specific situations."
"...or it's a key all the time, and when you stick it in people, it unlocks their death."
DAENAR-DR
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/09/2009 07:55 PM CST
>> and it's not like there is a squad of commandos waiting to moongate in and chain kill you the minute your profile changes.
I would love to chain kill him. Consider me waiting.
I would love to chain kill him. Consider me waiting.
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/09/2009 07:58 PM CST
>> I'd also venture to say that the many like me would happily expect that people that report after an IC conflict be chastised or locked for Disruptive Behavior.
You would expect wrong.
And there will still be a consult, but it's simply more likely that it will be ruled in your favor, if the GM is inclined.
Now I understand why it's done like this. I understand why guarded does not have its own codeified set of policies. There are flaws with this arrangement, but all in all it's superior to the alternative, which is simply handing people another set of rules to game.
Rev. Reene
Your mind hears Aislynn thinking, "Hrrr. Just not Caelumia. She creates multi-dimensional pain that defies the laws of anatomy."
Your mind hears Azatia thinking, "she's good like that"
You would expect wrong.
And there will still be a consult, but it's simply more likely that it will be ruled in your favor, if the GM is inclined.
Now I understand why it's done like this. I understand why guarded does not have its own codeified set of policies. There are flaws with this arrangement, but all in all it's superior to the alternative, which is simply handing people another set of rules to game.
Rev. Reene
Your mind hears Aislynn thinking, "Hrrr. Just not Caelumia. She creates multi-dimensional pain that defies the laws of anatomy."
Your mind hears Azatia thinking, "she's good like that"
TAGHZ
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/09/2009 08:10 PM CST
>>"and have agreed beforehand what's going to happen."
This part of guarded makes "guarded=closed" for those who cannot accept a lose.
You really cant say guarded = more RP over Open players.
Example.
Province A is at war with the Enemy 1. Player A is a commander(guarded) of Province A force's.
Player B(open) and is a known member of Enemy 1 ambushes Player A.
Does Player A need to know he is going to be ambushed by Player B?
Give me your opinions. Please.
Crusader Taghz
DFA = DISC + AGIL + TM > Evasion + Reflex
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother...", William Shakespeare.
This part of guarded makes "guarded=closed" for those who cannot accept a lose.
You really cant say guarded = more RP over Open players.
Example.
Province A is at war with the Enemy 1. Player A is a commander(guarded) of Province A force's.
Player B(open) and is a known member of Enemy 1 ambushes Player A.
Does Player A need to know he is going to be ambushed by Player B?
Give me your opinions. Please.
Crusader Taghz
DFA = DISC + AGIL + TM > Evasion + Reflex
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother...", William Shakespeare.
ASHBOMB
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/09/2009 08:36 PM CST
Honestly folks.. PAFO, and keep a list. If you're in a position where lockout can occur.. maybe stick to the open folks for 6 months or however long.
I'd be willing to bet someone somewhere has started a list of baiter/reporter. All the "spirit of PvP" people can get together and do their own.
Do something, besides beat these infintesimal atomic particles that were once a dead horse.. at this point the horse is gone.
_____________________
>>I'm constantly amazed by the things that people do in game that would get them punched in the face in RL, but then they try to claim that they didn't do anything that would warrent a PvP situation.<<
-Evran
I'd be willing to bet someone somewhere has started a list of baiter/reporter. All the "spirit of PvP" people can get together and do their own.
Do something, besides beat these infintesimal atomic particles that were once a dead horse.. at this point the horse is gone.
_____________________
>>I'm constantly amazed by the things that people do in game that would get them punched in the face in RL, but then they try to claim that they didn't do anything that would warrent a PvP situation.<<
-Evran
DWARB-POWER
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/09/2009 08:48 PM CST
<<thats why communication is important. even in conflictual situation, having *respect" for the other player is the key-word here.>>
There is a point where having respect for the other player to continue the conflict or stop is in your control. I suspect that every person will have different levels of holding back.
- Simon
There is a point where having respect for the other player to continue the conflict or stop is in your control. I suspect that every person will have different levels of holding back.
- Simon
KOUGEN
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/10/2009 03:14 PM CST
>Does Player A need to know he is going to be ambushed by Player B?
>Give me your opinions. Please.
Not in my version of what Guarded should be. But then I have the special crazy, liberal, "backpedaling" and apparently hypocritical(?) perspective on it.
>Give me your opinions. Please.
Not in my version of what Guarded should be. But then I have the special crazy, liberal, "backpedaling" and apparently hypocritical(?) perspective on it.
C0UGAR
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/10/2009 04:55 PM CST
<<But then I have the special crazy, liberal, "backpedaling" and apparently hypocritical(?) perspective on it.
There is hope for you, yet.
Falker
There is hope for you, yet.
Falker
DR-ANNWYL
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/10/2009 09:31 PM CST
Now you are picking on yourselves.
Are we done yet? :P
Annwyl
Senior Board Monitor
If you've questions or comments, take it to e-mail by writing Senior Board Monitor DR-Annwyl@play.net, or Message Board Supervisor DR-Cecco@play.net.
C0UGAR
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/11/2009 12:36 AM CST
<<Are we done yet?
Can one ever be truly done kicking the dead horse?
Falker
Can one ever be truly done kicking the dead horse?
Falker
MORDIMER00
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/11/2009 07:09 AM CST
Annwyl if you're gonna keep talking smack you better go Open.
DR-ANNWYL
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/11/2009 11:20 AM CST
>>Annwyl if you're gonna keep talking smack you better go Open.
Annwyl Whettal
Spouse: No Info
Roleplay Stance: None
PvP Stance: Open
Quote: "Try to open up your mind a little, and move away from rigid opinions of what people should do and be - unless you have been there."
Annwyl
Senior Board Monitor
If you've questions or comments, take it to e-mail by writing Senior Board Monitor DR-Annwyl@play.net, or Message Board Supervisor DR-Allievo@play.net.
GABRIELBLACK
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/11/2009 11:22 AM CST
>>Spouse: No Info
Watch out for that. Gonna get your fan club all excited. Better switch to "Uninterested" quick.
Alexii points at a Velakan slaver and shouts, "Another one! Don't let it get away!"
Watch out for that. Gonna get your fan club all excited. Better switch to "Uninterested" quick.
Alexii points at a Velakan slaver and shouts, "Another one! Don't let it get away!"
DAENAR-DR
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/11/2009 02:46 PM CST
* Mordimer was just pwned!
SUGARSNOUT
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/12/2009 08:46 AM CST
>Annwyl Whettal
> Spouse: No Info
Mreow.
How YOU doin?
> Spouse: No Info
Mreow.
How YOU doin?
GABRIELBLACK
Re: The overall state of profile pvp settings
11/12/2009 11:12 AM CST
I knew it!
Alexii points at a Velakan slaver and shouts, "Another one! Don't let it get away!"
Alexii points at a Velakan slaver and shouts, "Another one! Don't let it get away!"
