I know the buff cap is 20%, but I've always assumed once a skill reaches 1750 base ranks that you cannot buff it any higher. But some think you can still buff a capped skill an additional 20%, up to 2100 effective ranks. That sounds suspicious to me, so I was wondering if anyone can tell me which is the absolute effective cap?
~ Vanxa
COLDLIGHT
TEVESHSZAT
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/13/2016 04:09 PM CDT
2100 sounds weird because it gives the system wiggle room in the event something slips through the cracks and manages to buff a skill outside of the 20% rule. There's no absolute cap in the game as much as a "once the number passes this point stuff starts to break and crazy things can happen, sometimes to the detriment of the player's own functionality."
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FAMEBRIGHT
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/13/2016 04:58 PM CDT
>I know the buff cap is 20%, but I've always assumed once a skill reaches 1750 base ranks that you cannot buff it any higher. But some think you can still buff a capped skill an additional 20%, up to 2100 effective ranks. That sounds suspicious to me, so I was wondering if anyone can tell me which is the absolute effective cap?
Skills at the skill cap are still buffable to 2100. That's why they're capped at the equally weird number 1750. 2100 itself is a sort of an arbitrary "safe" number below the absolute maxium (likely something on the order of 2147, I don't think anyone has ever confirmed or denied that for NDA reasons), after which DR-as-written probably runs out of bits to store your exp pool and integer hilarity occurs.
If you'd like a redpost, I'm not sure there ever was one! But there was this note about prediction caps being updated which is handily archived on elanthipedia (all hail):
https://elanthipedia.play.net/Post:3.1_updates_-_10/13/2013_-_16:39
Scroll to the bottom.
"Warrior Mages don't bother covering up their disasters.
They're proud of them."
-Raesh
Skills at the skill cap are still buffable to 2100. That's why they're capped at the equally weird number 1750. 2100 itself is a sort of an arbitrary "safe" number below the absolute maxium (likely something on the order of 2147, I don't think anyone has ever confirmed or denied that for NDA reasons), after which DR-as-written probably runs out of bits to store your exp pool and integer hilarity occurs.
If you'd like a redpost, I'm not sure there ever was one! But there was this note about prediction caps being updated which is handily archived on elanthipedia (all hail):
https://elanthipedia.play.net/Post:3.1_updates_-_10/13/2013_-_16:39
Scroll to the bottom.
"Warrior Mages don't bother covering up their disasters.
They're proud of them."
-Raesh
ILLIENA
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/13/2016 05:12 PM CDT
I can also offer the following evidence:
Attunement: 1716
Without buff:
>You reach out with your senses and hear brilliant streams (17/21) of harmonious Elemental mana coursing through the area.
With buff (same room, 30 seconds later):
>You reach out with your senses and hear glaring streams (19/21) of harmonious Elemental mana coursing through the area.
So either 34 ranks was enough to raise the room mana by 2 levels, or the buff took me beyond 1750.
Attunement: 1716
Without buff:
>You reach out with your senses and hear brilliant streams (17/21) of harmonious Elemental mana coursing through the area.
With buff (same room, 30 seconds later):
>You reach out with your senses and hear glaring streams (19/21) of harmonious Elemental mana coursing through the area.
So either 34 ranks was enough to raise the room mana by 2 levels, or the buff took me beyond 1750.
PRIMEQ
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/13/2016 05:59 PM CDT
>>If you'd like a redpost, I'm not sure there ever was one!
My recollection is that there was a GM post that indicated you boost up to ~2100. Of course, I don't know where that post is, but that's what I recall.
- Navesi
My recollection is that there was a GM post that indicated you boost up to ~2100. Of course, I don't know where that post is, but that's what I recall.
- Navesi
COLDLIGHT
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/13/2016 06:03 PM CDT
Those were all excellent replies! Thanks, everyone.
>New 'hard cap' of 350 ranks. 1750 * 0.2 = 350
This comment by Raesh isn't explicit, but it does seem reasonably clear. It's a big deal actually.
The reason I asked is because casting Aura Sight is an Astrology and Attunement buff, which helps in navigating (astrogating?) the astral plane. I was about to take Aura Sight out of my astral travel script since I have 1750 in both Astrology and Attunement, and I didn't think it was helping anymore. I only posted here on a lark, and I'm glad I did. I learned something useful.
My assumption that everything chopped off at 1750 regardless was based really on the old, "If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is." Glad to find out I was wrong.
Thanks again.
~ Vanxa
>New 'hard cap' of 350 ranks. 1750 * 0.2 = 350
This comment by Raesh isn't explicit, but it does seem reasonably clear. It's a big deal actually.
The reason I asked is because casting Aura Sight is an Astrology and Attunement buff, which helps in navigating (astrogating?) the astral plane. I was about to take Aura Sight out of my astral travel script since I have 1750 in both Astrology and Attunement, and I didn't think it was helping anymore. I only posted here on a lark, and I'm glad I did. I learned something useful.
My assumption that everything chopped off at 1750 regardless was based really on the old, "If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is." Glad to find out I was wrong.
Thanks again.
~ Vanxa
NINEVAH1
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/13/2016 06:07 PM CDT
>>If you'd like a redpost, I'm not sure there ever was one!
Way back in the years before 3.0 Socharis (I believe it was him since he was in charge of updating EXP for the 3.0 conversion) confirmed that the reason they set the skill cap at 1750 was to give room for buffs to work and not run into the problems that arise once you go higher than DR's engine can handle. I couldn't tell you where that post was since it has probably been 5 years or more and has probably disappeared.
A related story that I remember from back during the time before 3.0 when there were no skill caps is that a player in TF (Helen? Helena? I can't remember for sure) was nearing the skill rank that the engine cut off at (2147 is close if it isn't exactly it) and the GMs let her go over to see what happened. I don't know if they ever let us know exactly what happened to the character, but the general idea was that it rolled over into negative ranks.
Way back in the years before 3.0 Socharis (I believe it was him since he was in charge of updating EXP for the 3.0 conversion) confirmed that the reason they set the skill cap at 1750 was to give room for buffs to work and not run into the problems that arise once you go higher than DR's engine can handle. I couldn't tell you where that post was since it has probably been 5 years or more and has probably disappeared.
A related story that I remember from back during the time before 3.0 when there were no skill caps is that a player in TF (Helen? Helena? I can't remember for sure) was nearing the skill rank that the engine cut off at (2147 is close if it isn't exactly it) and the GMs let her go over to see what happened. I don't know if they ever let us know exactly what happened to the character, but the general idea was that it rolled over into negative ranks.
DR-RAESH
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/13/2016 06:37 PM CDT
>>Way back in the years before 3.0 Socharis (I believe it was him since he was in charge of updating EXP for the 3.0 conversion) confirmed that the reason they set the skill cap at 1750 was to give room for buffs to work and not run into the problems that arise once you go higher than DR's engine can handle.
Yes.
-Raesh
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Yes.
-Raesh
"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things
COLDLIGHT
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/13/2016 07:11 PM CDT
Thanks for the confirmation, Raesh. You posted while I was digging in the Exp folder. In case anyone else wants to read the thread, there are several relevant posts there. This one is a sample, although the 250 possibility became 350:
http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/Abilities,%20Skills%20and%20Magic/The%20Experience%20System/view/2683
~ Vanxa
http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/Abilities,%20Skills%20and%20Magic/The%20Experience%20System/view/2683
~ Vanxa
TBIGLEY
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/20/2016 06:04 PM CDT
Wouldn't it be higher then 2100? Or am I assuming incorrectly that things like SAP and Align work in conjunction with each-other?
Debilitation
1750
+350 (20% SAP)
+262 (15% Align)
2362 total?
Debilitation
1750
+350 (20% SAP)
+262 (15% Align)
2362 total?
DERIUM
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/20/2016 06:06 PM CDT
My understanding is that this is the reason there are global caps.
Debilitation
1750 + MAX(350,262) = 2100.
ILLIENA
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/20/2016 06:12 PM CDT
> Wouldn't it be higher then 2100? Or am I assuming incorrectly that things like SAP and Align work in conjunction with each-other?
In general buffs don't stack. I suspect Align follows this rule.
In general buffs don't stack. I suspect Align follows this rule.
TBIGLEY
Re: Where Is The Cap?
09/26/2016 02:03 AM CDT
> In general buffs don't stack.
I'll run some numbers for this. I suppose I had assumed that spell buffs don't stack but things like align and feats do stack with buffs. Perhaps this was just wishful thinking.
I'll run some numbers for this. I suppose I had assumed that spell buffs don't stack but things like align and feats do stack with buffs. Perhaps this was just wishful thinking.
