Anyone know the teaching range on mountain giants west of Shard? I thought they started at 350-400, so should teach well past 500, but I can't get TM above 1/34 no matter what TM spells I use. Tried all 3 TM cyclic spells, and several multi-shot single-target TM spells, and nothing would get me above 1/34.

I know teaching caps changed with 3.1, just figured I'd still learn TM here at 509, since other skills at 480-490 move just fine.

-Master Ndin

3.1 rolled in and the things above 500s are very painful to move.

Well, I'm staying in giants for a little while because my mom is not quite ready for stompers yet. I've done stompers before without too much hassle. I was just surprised because my other combats in the 480-490 range move perfectly fine. Debilitation and TM don't get above 2/34, no matter what methods I try.

Defend: 491 42% (18/34) +0.01
Parry: 482 48% (25/34) +0.02
Evade: 487 91% (24/34) +0.01
Debilit: 482 13% (1/34) +0.00

The worst part is, my defending/parry/evasion is that high after only being in here 7-10 minutes. It's not like I'm milking them and having to dance for an hour to get my other skills in the 480-490 range moving. They start flying instantly. TM doesn't get above 2/34 ever, no matter what spells/mana I use. Debilitation doesn't get above 2/34 either. Prepping multiple spells at 15 mana, charging 45 in an armband, and casting. Did this 9 times in a row back-to-back, and didn't even hit 2/34 debilitation.

Doesn't make sense that 487 and 491 move fine, but 482 doesn't. Stats issue maybe?

-Master Ndin

>Not all mobs have similar offense and defense. Looks like giants have more offense than defense.

IIRC they stay at pole and missile and lob boulders a lot. Or even melee and lob boulders, which doesn't train as well as when they're swinging fists...

We have pretty similar Debilitation (470) though I have magic tert pools. My typical hunting debil is casting COTW at min prep (15) plus 5 in cambrinth once per creature. Cast at giants and gained 0-1 mindstates per cast. Pushing to min prep plus 40 didn't seem to help.

The same cast (15 + 5) in stompers gained me 1-2 mindstates per cast.

Seems like moving up might be best, or just not worrying about debil until you are ready to. Good luck with it.

Jalika