Well... seems I've misplaced my wide-bladed beheading axe, so my little dwarf is sans a nice 2HE axe. Question is, what 2HE axes are out there, specifically, those under 100pk. Ideally under 20pk, but I can't have everything.

Also, more specifically, are there any Dwarvishly themed ones, i.e. the tunnelers axe? They don't have to be the best axes out there, just have to look spiffy.

Ristyl

Agreed, one of the best 2HE starters .. also its apps Poor/Great/Heavy Poor/Well in 2HE mode
None/Moderate/Moderate Dismal/Reason



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Klatu...verata.....ni....Necktie... Nickel... It's an "N" word, it's definitely an "N" word!

There's always the obsidian bladed broadaxe or something like that. It's either 150 or 200 stones. . .


~Bractos

Weapon Forging
A barbarian's inherent understanding of weapons makes him or her a natural at the forge. Anyone can forge a crude weapon, but only barbarians can produce legendary quality weapons sought after by all.

<<Isn't Droughtman's wagon still around

Last i checked, no.

<<Dwarven battle axe in Dirge

Was out of stock last time i was there.. like a week ago

<<There's always the obsidian bladed broadaxe or something like that.

Got an app on that one Bractos?

<<I'm looking more for an interesting weapon

Massive Double-bladed broadaxe is select i think. Its actually a decent weapon if you can swing it and it apps almost the same as the SCC swap axe.


-triton


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Klatu...verata.....ni....Necktie... Nickel... It's an "N" word, it's definitely an "N" word!

>Massive Double-bladed broadaxe is select i think. Its actually a decent weapon if you can swing it and it apps almost the same as the SCC swap axe.

I don't have either to compare but the weight and puncture are the only visible differences.

Massive Double-Bladed Broadaxe
Weight: 80 stones
Puncture: Low
Slice: Great
Impact: Heavy
Balance: Poorly
Suited: Well

Axe (Steelclaw Clan)
Weight: 46 stones
Puncture: Poor
Slice: Great
Impact: Heavy
Balance: Poorly
Suited: Well

The other SCC axe:

Igorat Axe
Weight: 85 stones
Puncture: None
Slice: Severe
Impact: Heavy
Balance: Poorly
Suited: Reasonably

Gidske

Where can you buy a Dwarven battle axe Gid? Looks a bit heavy for me to use, as I'm still small, but I'd evenutally like one.

Kalkomar Axebiter
Staan Grimis

<<The only reason I keep it as an example of the utter lack of respect our staff gives to two-handed axes by churning this junk out for their merchants to sell.

AMEN to that!

I'd also like to point out also being a 2handed blunt user. The best i can find store bought is.
Low/Low/Severe Dismal/Well and thats about it everything else is around there.

Also i wanna point out something else too and see if i can get someone else to see what im seeing.

LB's seem to have fair impact at around 20 stones
MB's seem to have heavy impact at around 40-50 stones
HB's seem to have heavy/great impact at around 50 stones
2HB's seem to have severe impact at around 70-80 stones

The stone weight curve for 2HB is pretty extreme.

Hara from Aesry Apps
Low/None/Great dismal/reasonable at 50 stones or 46 stones with the Ukabi from leth.

While the War mattock from crossing Apps
Low/Low/Severe Dismal/Well at 71 stones

20+ stones is pretty harsh considering the performance gain from LB to MB to HB with no where near the same stone jump.


I would have to say the worst thing being the difference between 2HB and 2HE. Why would someone on gods green earth pick 2HB over 2HE? i have 150+ ranks in both 2HB and 2HE. My 2HB is a joke when compared to my 2HE.

SCC AXE:
Poor/Great/Heavy Poor/Well at 46 stones!!!!

Theren Claymore
Low/Severe/Heavy Dismal/Well at 58 stones!

Verses.

Xing Mattock
Low/Low/Severe Dismal/Well at 71 stones.

Even if the mattock was the same stone weight as the 2HE's it would still be bad. Sigh.

Glad i got this one off my chest.

-triton

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Klatu...verata.....ni....Necktie... Nickel... It's an "N" word, it's definitely an "N" word!

Blunts did or do have a knock down advantage coded in that no matter the impact of an edge weapon, it will never have.

1. I will assume that might be the reason for such a weight difference in the two.
Or..

2. It may just be another example of inconsistency in how items, particularly weapons, have been coded in a hodge podge process covering 8 years of radical changes to combat.

I'm tending more toward reason #2 myself.

The weight curve between 2HB and the next class of blunts is a bit extreme, I agree.

Gidske

<<<The only reason I keep it as an example of the utter lack of respect our staff gives to two-handed axes by churning this junk out for their merchants to sell.

Unfortunately this applies to most non-sword weapons.


-Everything I know I got by eating the brains of smart people.

Axes definitely arent given their justice, nor are blunts. My secondary is MB, but I just cant do enough damage to lock quickly, takes twice as long to lock as my blade, and it doesnt hit nearly as hard. Its a shame, really. I hope they make blunts function better, they are seriously lacking in power.

My suggestion would be Blunt weapons should be more difficult to parry, and be seriously unbalancing to the target when they hit. This could offset the difference in damage.

>Why would someone on gods green earth pick 2HB over 2HE?

The sheer entertainment value? No, because 2HB breaks weapons and armor far more efficiently than 2HE. It is also more likely to go through a parry or armor.

Right now I have approximately ...

52 stone Shadowar claymore
l/bc/m d/w (sorta, maybe)

80 stone Vibrato war mattock
//bc d/w (I think)

The claymore is at 6-7 rt, the mattock at 9-10 ... however, the sheer damage of the war mattock against sprites was higer at lower ranks because it shattered their knives. Same with the effect on dusk ogres who used cudgels. I used the mattock a lot in there to shatter their shields and weapons.

Now, well, the claymore has enough ranks that I pretty much can garantee a one shot on sandies with it if I hit a critical area ... the war mattock, still does a pretty fair job, with >20 ranks fewer 2HB (90 2HE, 68 2HB), just because of the way it goes through things and causes stuns/unbalance effects. I'm pretty sure I'll be one shotting the girls with that mattock at the same ranks as I have with my claymore, probably as soon as I close the gap to about 10 ranks.

Vale

I also use 2HB - I'm using a forged 128 stone War Mattock with about 8-12 second RT. When I hit stuff it REALLY unbalances them...get a good hit and then do an assess ..you'll see that your enemy is most likely not balanced very good...plus it definatly damages weapons/armor but I've yet to destroy any armor but smaller weapons I've destroyed plenty of times. Also it's a different damage time so if 2HE isn't doing the job try a diffrent weapon :) I know there's monsters out there that have slashing or bludgeoning resistence :)


Tergres - Meatshield in training

>>Tergres, is this still occuring? The weapons damage, I mean, from 2hb?

Yes Bear it is. I notice it when I train blunts. Another good thing about blunts is they work well against armored, or creatures with natural armor, ie gargs.

Brabs

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It's fascinating, though, how much like an oral culture this can be when it's carried out entirely in text.--GM Natala

Yep, the weapon destroying is still out there...but only on LE weapons or small weapons such as dagger and such..not sure if it destroys them or just knocks them out of the opponents hands..but I agree. 2hB needs to be looked at..i can wade through piles and piles of stuff in no time at all with my claymore cause i can get 1-3 secodn RT's when using Blood berserk..that's like 5 hits for every one I take with my War mattock..it's just not worth it. I'm still gonna train 2hB as my secondary weapon but they need to fix it...it's a joke right now.