ok wondering if there is any big difference in ammos. right now i'm using large rocks from the crossing's weaponshop and they seem to be doing ok, heard of coral and whatnot being non-lodging, do they hit as hard though? from my experience if it doesn't lodge it usually doesn't do nearly as much damage as something that does, at least as far as arrows go. was wondering if someone could shine a lil light on the subject for a beginning sling user. also if coral or whatever work that much better would anyone have any to sell? i think i'll only need one right? plus i'm out on Ratha and was wondering if tanned slings were better than normal, right now i'm using a hide sling from orc scouts. if they are better i'll be looking to buy one of those too. thanks in advance guys

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Hey everyone.

I usually use sling ammo I forage up. I used to be able to find small rocks fairly easily. But the rocks I forage up now cannot be used for ammo. They are 'rocks', instead of 'small rocks'.

I don't use sling too often, so I don't like carrying the extra weight of the ammo. Hence the foraging rocks when I needed them. Anyone know if we can forage sling ammo?

Thanks,

-Gavyn

stone fists or smooth rocks?

Anyone know which is better? Personally I'm leaning towards the fists, but they keep disintegrating.


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Haven't tried fists since the ship fest, but you need to load them before stowing them to make them more permanent, I think.

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Your point has become useless since you took it too overboard, one of the problems with slings is it takes forever and you get crappy hits, if you got 1 sec full aim and load rts, not a single person would complain because it would make training somewhat bearable.




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When testing ranged attacks, I would suggest you do so from pole/missile range. Allowing critters to sit there and wail on you and gain/loose balance will throw off your data points. I know it is more difficult but I think it might make for more valuable data.

All that aside, I do want to extend my thanks to those of you doing these tests. It's no small secret I like seeing the "numbers" behind DR.

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<<When testing ranged attacks, I would suggest you do so from pole/missile range. Allowing critters to sit there and wail on you and gain/loose balance will throw off your data points. I know it is more difficult but I think it might make for more valuable data.>>

Do you mean without them swinging at me at all? I figured if they all were equally unbalanced (all whiffing completely) it still shows the difference between sling vs. staff sling. I wasn't necessarily trying to show the power of the shots....they could be 5, they could be 10, it doesn't really matter....if I moved to a natural critter with no armor the avg power would most definately be higher, but I wanted to see the difference in power of the shots between the two types of weapons on essentially the same type of target. I can see how the data would be a bit better if the gob was always at "solidly balanced" however. I may try a couple shorter tests with this.

<<melee vs missle attack with slings, melee wins out, big time. I'm not sure how much balance affects slings.>>

Yeah, the test would be definately a ton longer if done at range, It would be really hard trying to stay at pole, not sure if I can successfully hangback or not with them. Missile would be easier I think but not sure if I will even hit them lol. Range with slings = awful as Bavest said.

<<I've tried dancing swan and didn't notice much difference from any range, however, dancing bear is a noticable boost.>>

I may try a test with bear or blood to see if my results are different from the original as well.

<<I do disagree about balance position not mattering though>>

I didn't say it didn't matter, I said the gobs should be "equally unbalanced"

Wasn't trying to be too scientific, basically just tracking hit strengths while gathering boxes in sand sprites, which is normally when I train sling anyway. Didn't worry about balance or range. Just aim for 1 second then 'shoot chest', over and over.

http://www.drtanning.net/tan/slingtest.html

500 shots with each type of ammo. I'm missing smooth river rocks from the Aesry shop, will do those next time I get around to sprites...and corals I guess but I don't know what those are. Anyone know any other readily available ammo?

I was going to keep my sling skill constant with sleep, but I just couldn't let all that sling exp pass up. :P Sling skill went from 82-85 during this test. Not quite the 100 Oolan stated...maybe will try again when (if) I get significantly over that.

In addition I took each hit strength (from brushing to apocalyptic), ranked it sequentially, and averaged which gave the following:

	Polished River Rock	9.584
	Fist of Stone	9.586
	Small Rock	10.656
	Small Granite Rock	10.712
	Large Rock	11.194
	Heavy Quartz Rock	11.252

With 9 being "strong", 10 being "heavy", and 11 being "very heavy".

Will update with the smooth rocks eventually, though I suspect they will be similar to the polished and FoS.

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Sure. Don't bother until they rewrite it.

I know that's a sarcastic answer, but that's my honest opinion after testing slings with many templates and all the ammo types I could lay my hands on. Even optimizing your performance with rare old ammo and player-made P5 templates simply performs poorly.

If you're wanting a unique weapon type, try halberds, or heavy thrown, or light thrown, or pike.
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>>Looking to take up sling, any sling ammo reccomendations?

Lead bullets - Heavy impact.

I think 15 of them exist in DR?

Good luck.

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>Looking to take up sling, any sling ammo reccomendations?

>Sure. Don't bother until they rewrite it.

I second this oppinon. Belive me the PAIN of learning sling either Staff sling or regular sling is unbelivable. Until they "fix" them they are a useless weapon and extremely difficult to train just for training purposes.

>It can be hard to become good with sling- Though I have known people able to use it to kill adan'f and similar-level critters.

Yes those were the good ole days Ryeka. Slings could actualy do real damage. After the last round of massive combat changes slings got ... "broke"? well somthing happen to them where they are not a viable weapon choice. Can't hit for squat, when you do can't hit with anything resambling real damage and killing somthing with a sling is akin to a mosquitoe stinging a bull to death. I have used as many as 30 rocks to down somthing and things I kill with slings just to move an agonizing rank of it usualy dies from Vitality loss not the actual sling hits cheating me of the extra EXP bump from the killing blow more than 50% of the time. BOO!!

It is true that when I was training sling, I would load, aim, circle my prey, then fire. So I'm probably seeing better results than people who are used to snap-shooting with a bow-type of weapon. So it certainly isn't a PVP weapon.

Ryeka


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<<You probably have tons more strength and agility too.>>

I don't know what you mean by tons, but I probably have a bit more than someone at level in snow goblins, I'm circle 45 with 38 agility and 35 strength. What is normal for third tier? 30/30 approx.? Damnit now your making me curious to see what I can do at level...heres for another 100 ranks. :/


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<<45 in snobs? You must be a mage.>>

You disgrace me!!! :) I am a Barb, I am backtraining sling in Snow goblins. (among a few other weapons)

The weapon reqs for Barbs top weapon at 45 is 230.. (third tier teaches to about 210, slowing alot at 200, so its not really that far off)

but anyways that is why i said this.... <<Damnit now your making me curious to see what I can do at level...heres for another 100 ranks>>

100+130 = 230 = at level. So yes, you are right that my agility is above a normal person there, but not by "tons". I will let you know if I take 20-30 shots at level when I get there...that is if I do because I very well may not got there.


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Bah! You are a barb. Altho not as big as I'd tught.

And no not overhunting. I got 110 in sling and can not even HIT anything near third tier snobs let alone kill with a sling in 6.7 shots. That is using all kinds of spells to boost my fighting not to mention spells to disable my pray.

<<And no not overhunting. I got 110 in sling and can not even HIT anything near third tier snobs let alone kill with a sling in 6.7 shots. That is using all kinds of spells to boost my fighting not to mention spells to disable my pray. >>

I trained sling up to 80 in blood wolves and bobcats. They were easy to hit snap shooting.

Once I moved to snow goblins (1st tier) I couldn't hit crap. going from 90-115 in there was the slowest ever but I was still snap shooting. Once I started full aim I moved right to 3rd tier no prob.

Now one thing I forgot to tell you, use sling at melee it helps ALOT. Now if your just relying on evasion this may cause problems defensively for ya, but you also can use shield with sling.

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E-pedia doesn't have any sling ammo listed from the Museum and I don't recall seeing any in there.

Raven's Court and the Fest ammo have ammo with similar appraisals though.

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