>>Howdy folks... While tracking down another bug this week I discovered the code for calculating ammo breakage had been removed from the live instances.

Not to be too snarky, but was it removed because it's a terrible idea?

This pretty much guarantees that making ammo out of quest materials is retroactively is the dumbest idea ever. Why do my senci shards risk > 0% chance of not existing when a senci maul doesn't? It's the same reason no one is using orichalcum for remedies in alchemy.

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Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.

To clarify - this won't affect senci-stone sling ammo. Quest/Fest arrow/bolt ammo that is better than what can be crafted really doesn't exist yet (to my knowledge at least), and we will re-evaluate things when those are introduced.

The point is to create a consumable economy. For a game like DR, game balance and the economy would be improved if all systems featured a consumable aspect. Alchemy and Enchanting feature it strongly. Carving and Shaping will now have a tiny bit. Not sure what you might see someday for Forging or Outdoorsmanship.

If you recall, long ago DR had (most) ammo of its ammo breakable. It was removed for a time, and now it is back. You'll probably see special materials and quest ammo that will be unbreakable. Or arrows that do 3x normal damage but break on the first hit. Plenty of options there for fun stuff.

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I think this is a pretty bad idea to have in game, and think the game would generally be more playable without it. Ammo loss is already a thing to the point that many players don't bother with crafted ammo. All this does is further encourage people to do so.

Might have been low hanging fruit and an easy fix, but this could definitely have been something discussed with the players before switching back on? For example, asking people how they generally handle hunting while using ammo?

I haven't seen any arrows break yet, so I'm guessing the chances for it happening are pretty small.

Thanks for exempting things like senci shards from this, that sort of thing is so difficult to replace.

>>Or arrows that do 3x normal damage but break on the first hit.

Interesting!

>Might need to uptweak the durability of invader's ammo (unless they have unlimited ammo or it's not much of an issue for invasion mobs).

Actually, I think this might be a step in the right direction - make ammo come from 'quivers', and always break on impact, or if it lodges, always vanish on tending or critter death. Get rid of the need to juggle bundles of ammo, deal with room clutter, etc. Make 'quivers' need to be repaired regularly to reload them.

>>I wonder if anyone ever actually uses enemy-ammo, and if this isn't good for cleaning up what would normally be a ton of junk crap to confuse your own arrows with?

I know the Elpalzi have claw-tipped arrows that are actually pretty good, even by 3.0 standards, but they're an exception not a rule.

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Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.

In one fell swoop, you've increased the value of paid materials and decreased the value of materials in game. It feels like a cash grab, plain and simple.

> Is that the only break message? I'd like to highlight it and add it to my stats tracking routine to see how often breaks occur.

You could always just count the ammo before a run and then count it when your routine is finished, or are you losing ammo frequently?

Just saw the messaging in 3rd person but yeah they were the same, regardless of block or dodge or ammunition fired. I didn't see any shots resulting in lodged ammo that broke.

The slender tip arrow hits the ground and shatters to pieces!

The crossbow bolt hits the ground and shatters to pieces!

The messaging also has it's own line.

* In a weak and directionless display of aggression, a rebel hunter fires a crossbow bolt at you. You block with a lumium round sipar.
The crossbow bolt hits the ground and shatters to pieces!
[You're nimbly balanced and in good position.]

Going back through my log it looks like the rebels' slender tip arrows might not have been 100% breakage per shot but every fired bolt that didn't lodge, broke.

>>In one fell swoop, you've increased the value of paid materials and decreased the value of materials in game. It feels like a cash grab, plain and simple.

Arrows and bolts have no paid materials, and Senci will not be released again (in all likelihood) so that would be incorrect :(

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

No, this doesn't affect throwing weapons.

Yes, this will affect future ranged ammo materials when they are released. I wouldn't expect them to cost the same as durability-based materials. Kind of like the old quads. You'd buy 200 with Plats to get you through to the next fest.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

> No, this doesn't affect throwing weapons.

That's good to hear, but I didn't see a response to the rest of the questions.

1. Can you confirm whether diamondique, felstone, fulginode, xenomite, and haledroth are being removed like senci?

1a. If they are not being removed, can you turn off breakage for sling ammo since you can only get these for cash?

2. Can you also confirm whether the wood used to make the arrow shaft affects breakage?

3. How long are 200 expected to last you, and how much plat is this expected to drain?

3a. Can you only get the durability materials at paid festivals?

Thanks for the updates. It seems like there are a lot of "recommendations", "maybes" and "soon" promises here. That does still leave me concerned.

I'm willing to sit back and see how this shakes out, but this whole situation is discomforting, especially the lack of information prior to the change.

> The wood used in the shaft is not currently affecting the final durability. It is up in the air if/when I'll flesh out fletching more, particularly for allowing metal arrow heads and other types of flights.

If you go this route, I'd like a chance to recover the arrow heads after the arrow breaks. Crafting takes a while, and spending 10 minutes per arrow head seems like something not worth doing, similar to keyblanks today.

>>It was a compromise for ammunition lacking sufficient memory to track more things.

Is it possible for ammunition to use one time objects as ammunition, specifically loading slings with Naphtha.

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