Out of curiosity, will your fumble mechanics impede Paladins? They're the ones most likely to be mixing all armors, after all, and most likely to be wearing the heaviest versions of them.

The change really shouldn't be very small. What kind of armor though? Some accessories are too light to have been affected by the old formula I'm guessing.

It'd help if you could post what your armor is and where it is located at.

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Here's my setup:
a quilted fine silk cap
a light lumium plate mask
some lumium scale gloves
a lumium ring aventail
some heavily bloodstained leathers tooled with an elaborate symbol on the chest
a shalswar-hide targe

The leathers are boss drop from Beyond the Barrier (https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Armor:Heavily_bloodstained_leathers_tooled_with_an_elaborate_symbol_on_the_chest). The accessories are all crafted to be as light as possible. I'm pretty sure the majority of my hindrance is coming from the mixing penalty.


Specific appraisals follow.

Cap: You feel certain that a quilted fine silk cap appears to impose insignificant maneuvering hindrance
Cap: If you were only wearing a quilted fine silk cap your maneuvering would be barely hindered
Mask: You feel certain that a light lumium plate mask appears to impose insignificant maneuvering hindrance
Mask: If you were only wearing a light lumium plate mask your maneuvering would be barely hindered
Gloves: You feel certain that some lumium scale gloves appear to impose insignificant maneuvering hindrance
Gloves: If you were only wearing some lumium scale gloves your maneuvering would be barely hindered
Aventail: You feel certain that a lumium ring aventail appears to impose insignificant maneuvering hindrance
Aventail: If you were only wearing a lumium ring aventail your maneuvering would be barely hindered
Leathers: You feel certain that some heavily bloodstained leathers tooled with an elaborate symbol on the chest appear to impose high maneuvering hindrance
Leathers: If you were only wearing some heavily bloodstained leathers tooled with an elaborate symbol on the chest your maneuvering would be insignificantly hindered
Targe: You are certain that it imposes minor maneuvering hindrance.

Ok. Turns out wearing more than 3 armor types was penalized x2 as much as anything else... please try now?

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I have two characters, each with a different 4 armor setup:

- rather hindered (8/14) to moderately hindered (7/14) -- armor tert
- very hindered (9/14) to moderately hindered (7/14) -- armor secondary

Thanks for this -- hindrance makes a big difference!


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>>Out of curiosity, will your fumble mechanics impede Paladins?

No. This will be a perk from being armor Primary.

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First of all, after a second set of testing, thanks a ton! This is so much better.

>> >>Out of curiosity, will your fumble mechanics impede Paladins?

No. This will be a perk from being armor Primary.<<

Do you have any neat enhanced fumble mechanics planned for being weapon primary?

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>>Eventually, when all the maneuvers are finished you will have some Weapon-Primary only ones.

Woot!

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Is this live now, or is this only on the test server?

The better armor hindrance is appreciated. It settles issues for a lot of people.

I noticed a mixing penalty change but when wearing just plate, I did not notice one either.

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I should be capping my reduction, having 500~ plate armor skill, but it is possible it was within the same range, yes.

That is partly what I was asking about, I checked my mixed armor set up(all four armors) and noticed a change from "Very" hindered to "Rather", a solid difference, but didn't see any change in my all plate suit, which made me hopeful that it was an oversight or miscalculation somewhere.

I've started/been in a few threads about this since the 3.0 change, I just got excited when I read that hindrance was reduced and wanted to see a bigger change I guess.

Thanks.

This was in prime, yes.

Here are the hindrance appraisals for each piece I use.

Helm:

You feel certain that a lumium great helm appears to impose fair maneuvering hindrance and fair stealth hindrance, offering:
very high protection and extreme damage absorption for puncture attacks.
very high protection and extreme damage absorption for slice attacks.
high protection and extreme damage absorption for impact attacks.
high protection and great damage absorption for fire attacks.
high protection and great damage absorption for cold attacks.
good protection and high damage absorption for electrical attacks.

If you were only wearing a lumium great helm your maneuvering would be lightly hindered and your stealth would be lightly hindered.
But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently very hindered and your stealth is highly hindered.

Full plate:

You feel certain that some lumium full plate appears to impose great maneuvering hindrance and insane stealth hindrance, offering:
very high protection and extreme damage absorption for puncture attacks.
very high protection and extreme damage absorption for slice attacks.
high protection and extreme damage absorption for impact attacks.
high protection and great damage absorption for fire attacks.
high protection and great damage absorption for cold attacks.
good protection and high damage absorption for electrical attacks.

If you were only wearing some lumium full plate your maneuvering would be moderately hindered and your stealth would be very hindered.
But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently very hindered and your stealth is highly hindered.

Gauntlets:

You feel certain that some lumium plate gauntlets appear to impose light maneuvering hindrance and light stealth hindrance, offering:
very high protection and extreme damage absorption for puncture attacks.
very high protection and extreme damage absorption for slice attacks.
high protection and extreme damage absorption for impact attacks.
high protection and great damage absorption for fire attacks.
high protection and great damage absorption for cold attacks.
good protection and high damage absorption for electrical attacks.

If you were only wearing some lumium plate gauntlets your maneuvering would be minimally hindered and your stealth would be minimally hindered.
But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently very hindered and your stealth is highly hindered.

Also using an armworn shield with light hindrance if that helps any.

I really appreciate you looking into this, hopefully something is amiss(for my sake) but even if not, thank you!

Cheers.

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Just on these changes, I noticed the other day in an invasion that I really did suck in my cloth armor, and I long to go back to being a plate wearing warrior mage....

I haven't tried an all plate armor setup for a while - I was wondering how viable it is now for an armor tert guild to be full plate?

I remember after one of the changes that I was getting ripped to shreds in my plate armor but nothing touched me in my cloth, hence my change over to the lighter side of things, but I've always been a bigger fan of plate armor and I'm hoping this change could mean I can go back to wearing it maybe?

For reference, my armor ranks, in case it matters a lot on what level your at:

Light Armor - 616.94
Plate Armor - 577.53
Chain Armor - 574.50
Brigandine - 569.87

Thanks

Still not viable.

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I think it's more than fine now. Anything more and you are going to fail if you aren't wearing plate.

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I see it right now that mixing armors doesn't really seem to be an issue if your hunting at level, I seem to have been getting away with it for a while so I'm not to worried there.

Viable to me would be that if I've worked 600 ranks in a tert skill, I would like those 600 ranks to work the same as the other 600 ranks I have in a different tert skill, in this case, light armor and plate armor.... and chain armor, and brig armor.

I find the difference between the heavier armors and the lighter armors, when it comes down to a real fight, its huge, and by making it so my guild can't actually function in those heavier armors, even at 600 ranks, sets the guild at a huge advantage.

Right now, if I take my warrior mage into an invasion in plate armor or brig armor, I would get demolished because of being an armor tert guild and the chaanges which went into play..... however, when I take my warrior mage into these invasions in my cloth armor, unless my stealth is incredible (another tert skill), I again get demolished... leaving me pretty much pigeon holed into having to wear a chain setup because the others don't work for my guild.

Sorry if this comes across as a bit of a rant, its not meant to be that way - I've always felt in DR that if you worked hard at any skill then you could master it, but I feel in the case of armors that this is now not something that is achievable.

(note - I plan to pick up a set of full plate armor and go testing the changes for myself but based on other views here it seems its still a struggle)

Double Post, sorry.

I think part of the issue too is that the hindrance difference is just so enormous between say, chain and plate.

I wear a heavier set of chain which appraises as...

high (7/15) protection and very great (12/18) damage absorption for puncture attacks.
very good (6/15) protection and very great (12/18) damage absorption for slice attacks.
moderate (4/15) protection and very great (12/18) damage absorption for impact attacks.
high (7/15) protection and very high (10/18) damage absorption for fire attacks.
moderate (4/15) protection and very high (10/18) damage absorption for cold attacks.
poor (1/15) protection and very high (10/18) damage absorption for electrical attacks.

and is listed as moderate for the body armor, insignificant for the accessories, for maneuvering hindrance.

But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently fairly (5/14) hindered and your stealth is somewhat (6/14) hindered.

At Chain Armor: 426 42%

All of this is without mixing armor, and is WITH a worn shield.

Switching over to plate, the appraisal goes up to...

great (9/15) protection and incredible (15/18) damage absorption for puncture attacks.
very great (10/15) protection and incredible (15/18) damage absorption for slice attacks.
very high (8/15) protection and incredible (15/18) damage absorption for impact attacks.
great (9/15) protection and incredible (15/18) damage absorption for fire attacks.
great (9/15) protection and incredible (15/18) damage absorption for cold attacks.
fair (3/15) protection and moderate (6/18) damage absorption for electrical attacks.

however I end up at

But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently highly (10/14) hindered and your stealth is highly hindered.

Plate Armor: 443 33.76%

Functionally for me in combat, what happens is that the armor is at least 50% more protective/30%ish more absorbing compared to the chain. However, being exactly twice as hindered means that in combat, I get hit SO much more often. Compounded by the fact that you get stunned when you get hit somewhere you're already injured almost all the time, I spend a lot of time stunned, with injuries getting progressively worse, until I need to consider running away. Then, what happens to me in plate is that I can't retreat because I'm in plate, and I die. Even if I get hit for more damage, I get hit so much less often in chain that it feels like it protects me way better than the plate does.

It's twice as hindering, but it's not twice as protective to compensate. I could probably deal with this if it wasn't for the obnoxious chain-stunning and injury compounding. Maybe heavier armors could extend the % of your vitality-given damage protection, so that you still got hurt and took damage but it made it so you had to be at a lower percentage of vitality to start actually taking wounds (With it doing it more based on skillset placement) or something. I don't know. I feel like armor needs to be apples and oranges and every weight of armor should have benefits and drawbacks beyond a scaling meter of protection/absorb vs hindrance. Otherwise if you turn the knobs too far one way, one end of the spectrum is overpowered, and if you turn it too far the other, the other is.

It's very difficult to balance it as-is because you risk making plate the only right choice without careful tweaks, instead of the only wrong choice.

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