I was wondering if I should switch to ME. I'm guessing the RT can be trained down on HE but is there some advantage in the long run to sticking with ME?
JWARK4
KASRKYN
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 04:21 PM CDT
In general, better balanced weapons and better availibilty of puncture damage in case you want to hunt something that's weak against it. Lighter weight means less fatigue per swing which might be beneficial with the combat rewrite.
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RAIST
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 04:26 PM CDT
As of right now, HE can be trained down within a second or two of ME, with a significantly better damage. In my opinion, there's little reason to use it, outside of certain guilds.
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BEVERAGEK
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 04:31 PM CDT
Regardless of current weapon availability(which will probably be changing with Crafting 3.0) I believe the idea is for the benefit of Medium over Heavy Edge to be speed at the sacrifice of single strike damage.
I actually wouldn't mind a post highlighting what the benefits, drawbacks and niches for each weapon skill post rewrite are supposed to be.
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I actually wouldn't mind a post highlighting what the benefits, drawbacks and niches for each weapon skill post rewrite are supposed to be.
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Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 05:26 PM CDT
>>I actually wouldn't mind a post highlighting what the benefits, drawbacks and niches for each weapon skill post rewrite are supposed to be.
I'd love to see a post like that, myself.
Probably can't expect to see it until the skill list (post combo & split) is finalized and posted though.
Ogdaro
I'd love to see a post like that, myself.
Probably can't expect to see it until the skill list (post combo & split) is finalized and posted though.
Ogdaro
ALEPH-ONE
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 05:29 PM CDT
Also, ME can be wielded in the offhand by weapons secondary guilds. (Weapons primary can wield up to HE in the offhand.) Not that offhand wielding is currently very useful.
And finally, keep in mind that these two skills may very well be combined in the near future. Keep an eye out for the upcoming announcement about which skills will be combined.
And finally, keep in mind that these two skills may very well be combined in the near future. Keep an eye out for the upcoming announcement about which skills will be combined.
JWARK4
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 05:58 PM CDT
Good info once again from all of you.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the advantage of wielding in the off hand? Does that mean you can wield two weapons at once and do more damage?
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the advantage of wielding in the off hand? Does that mean you can wield two weapons at once and do more damage?
BEVERAGEK
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 06:14 PM CDT
>>Forgive my ignorance, but what is the advantage of wielding in the off hand? Does that mean you can wield two weapons at once and do more damage?
I do not believe the details of what Offhand Weapon will accomplish in the future have been posted.
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I do not believe the details of what Offhand Weapon will accomplish in the future have been posted.
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Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 06:15 PM CDT
At present, only barbarians with enough skill can use two weapons at the same time via the whirlwind ability. In the future hopefully it will be a much more fleshed out ability.
For the time being the major use for the Offhand Weapon skill is to give another weapon type you can train for TDPs and such. It's also the only weapon skill that lets you train two weapons at once. The experience is split 70/30, with the 70% going toward Offhand Weapon and the 30% going toward the weapon type that you're using in the offhand.
Actual effectiveness of wielding a weapon offhand is 50/50 between Offhand Weapon and what you're wielding in the offhand.
Ogdaro
For the time being the major use for the Offhand Weapon skill is to give another weapon type you can train for TDPs and such. It's also the only weapon skill that lets you train two weapons at once. The experience is split 70/30, with the 70% going toward Offhand Weapon and the 30% going toward the weapon type that you're using in the offhand.
Actual effectiveness of wielding a weapon offhand is 50/50 between Offhand Weapon and what you're wielding in the offhand.
Ogdaro
RAIST
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 06:15 PM CDT
>but what is the advantage of wielding in the off hand?
Right now, it really has only a few advantages. It allows Barbarians to whirl with two weapons, you can have a thrown weapon to toss while you AIM your crossbow, and some people use it for dirt/backstab offhand.
It's a system with a lot of potential, but not much actual benefit right now.
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Right now, it really has only a few advantages. It allows Barbarians to whirl with two weapons, you can have a thrown weapon to toss while you AIM your crossbow, and some people use it for dirt/backstab offhand.
It's a system with a lot of potential, but not much actual benefit right now.
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ISHARON
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 06:59 PM CDT
>>JWARK4: Forgive my ignorance, but what is the advantage of wielding in the off hand? Does that mean you can wield two weapons at once and do more damage?
I sometimes use this skill while back-training weapons in which I have fewer ranks than offhand weapons.
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I sometimes use this skill while back-training weapons in which I have fewer ranks than offhand weapons.
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RAIST
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 07:27 PM CDT
>I sometimes use this skill while back-training weapons in which I have fewer ranks than offhand weapons.
It shouldn't help. If it does, it's a bug. In theory, your offhand weapon ranks should never act as being higher than your weapon ranks. To simplify, if offhand ranks > weapon ranks, offhand = weapon ranks, for attacking purposes.
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It shouldn't help. If it does, it's a bug. In theory, your offhand weapon ranks should never act as being higher than your weapon ranks. To simplify, if offhand ranks > weapon ranks, offhand = weapon ranks, for attacking purposes.
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Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 07:42 PM CDT
It definitely used to work that way, but I was almost certain they fixed it quite a while back.
Ogdaro
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JMF90
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/15/2010 08:54 PM CDT
ME weapons tend to be lighter, so fatigue drain is lower which is especially helpful with new characters. Also, better balanced weapons are more valuable when striking your target can be difficult. This includes hunting creatures which parry, and PvP. At the high end, bodypart HP is so low in relation to vitality that the extra balance of ME weapons can really shine*. (This is pretty noticable with capped stats but mediocre ranks in elders.) Obviously, all of this is up in the air right now.
* But to less of a degree than you might expect since (weapon balance x agility) in the OF formula is modified by some type of logarithmic function which yields diminishing returns.
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* But to less of a degree than you might expect since (weapon balance x agility) in the OF formula is modified by some type of logarithmic function which yields diminishing returns.
>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.
COVERG
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/16/2010 04:55 AM CDT
50% 50% on to hit and damage? Do you remember where that was posted? I thought it was 70% 30% just like how exp is split.
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RAIST
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/16/2010 05:06 AM CDT
>50% 50% on to hit and damage?
I didn't mean to imply that. It is 70/30 split just like the experience. It's just that it no longer benefits you if your OH is higher than the weapon skill.
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I didn't mean to imply that. It is 70/30 split just like the experience. It's just that it no longer benefits you if your OH is higher than the weapon skill.
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COVERG
Re: What is advantage of ME over HE?
09/16/2010 05:21 AM CDT
Thanks! I have had a minor goal of getting my heavy throw with off hand to 500, and I would be well over that if it was a 50/50 split. Thanks again!
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