Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 09:28 AM CDT
> to find a decent combo just type attack, and watch what the game inputs for you.

You and I both know that I'm not that naive and you're not that simple to think that I don't know better. The attack command give an ok combo, but far from what you or I should consider decent after dealing with the combat system for this long. Unfortunately LE slice is one of the combo charts I'm missing from Steelflash's old site. If anyone saved all that research, I'd be interested in the files please.

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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 09:38 AM CDT
37 stam.
After using the good old 'attack' combo...

[You're fatigued, solidly balanced with opponent in better position.]
And being tired seems to lead to me getting hit quite a bit more.


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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 09:42 AM CDT
Did that combo have lunge in it for some reason? Don't know why it would be in a slicing combo but if memory serves that maneuver uses alot of fatigue
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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 10:04 AM CDT
looks like draw/slice/chop


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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 10:25 AM CDT
>You and I both know that I'm not that naive and you're not that simple to think that I don't know better. The attack command give an ok combo, but far from what you or I should consider decent after dealing with the combat system for this long.

That's why I said decent, it's not great, but I was using that combo in malchata with only 425 ranks.


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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 10:48 AM CDT
I'm not a fan of any of the readily available LE slicers. The 37-40 stone katars give virtually no balance, so I try to avoid them. If you must go with a slicer I'd say a jambiya is best, but don't use the "attack" command with it because it defaults to a simple thrusting routine which will leave you dead if you use LE at level. I always recommend to folks to use jabbers with LE instead of slicers because they have better balance and still do decent damage. For a semi-readily available weapon I'd suggest using a briquet. My sequence is usually some variation of feint, lunge, thrust, jab modified based on what I'm fighting and how many critters I'm engaged with.


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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 12:40 PM CDT
Been playing with a lot of new and young characters lately. Typically with a slicer I use feint/draw/sweep/slice. With a katar at lower strength, agility and stamina I have found feint/draw/sweep better for the balance and fatigue issues. I do usually go heavier on the stamina on initial stat training but the shorter version has worked out well even with test characters of various races with no stat training past the CM roll.

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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 01:06 PM CDT
I parry first then use the feint/draw/feint sweep/slice and continue with chop/pummle or chop/chop/pummle. The feint sweep vs sweep give you the position increase of the sweep, but removes the defensive penalty at the cost of some hitting power. I use this combo with ALL edged.


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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 02:47 PM CDT
My jamb combo consists of parry (sometimes)/fei/draw/slice/chop/sweep. The sweep/parry/fei/draw builds balance, and slice/chop/sweep are the heavy hitters.

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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 05:43 PM CDT
I'm a katar junkie but as a rakash I offset the horrid balance with high reflexes.

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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 08:34 PM CDT
Katar junkie here as well, and am avidly awaiting dual mod-slicing katars and the total destruction of my own balance as a result.


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Re: LE slice combo 05/31/2007 10:37 PM CDT
>Katar junkie here as well

I can't say enough how much I completely detest unbalanced weapons.

On a side note, I'd really really like to see some new LE templates in the new forging system that make it possible to craft a weapon with both balance and damage potential, as opposed to one or the other.


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Re: LE slice combo 06/01/2007 07:51 AM CDT
I want a katar or other variant like an oben that has the same hitting power but weighs 10 stones less or so, or please somebody bump a 39 stone LE's damage output to the equivalent of its 39 stone 2HE counterpart. They are the same mass why would they not do the same damage...at least impact wise.
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Re: LE slice combo 06/01/2007 07:59 AM CDT
<<I want a katar or other variant like an oben that has the same hitting power but weighs 10 stones less or so, or please somebody bump a 39 stone LE's damage output to the equivalent of its 39 stone 2HE counterpart. They are the same mass why would they not do the same damage...at least impact wise. >>

1. This is Dragon Realms, not the real world, things work different here.
2. A 2he is longer, gripped by both hands allowing you toapply its mass better. So even at the same weight, they would do more impact.

If you grind a weapon for edge or point, the impact damage is reduced while the weight stays the same. This implies that Impact damage is not simply weight based.


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Re: LE slice combo 06/01/2007 10:14 AM CDT
>>2. A 2he is longer, gripped by both hands allowing you toapply its mass better. So even at the same weight, they would do more impact.

I'd say the mass of a 2HE is spread over a wider surface area than an LE of the same weight so it should do less impact damage. =)


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Re: LE slice combo 06/01/2007 12:18 PM CDT
OK Thilan, a 2he has more impact than a le because of my first point, Dr and RL are not the same (check on how magic works to prove this).

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Re: LE slice combo 06/01/2007 02:45 PM CDT
Let's not forget about leverage in this debate. Its safe to say that a larger weapon allows for greater leverage. That alone will increase the "impact".
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Re: LE slice combo 06/01/2007 08:59 PM CDT
Or, how about it just doesn't make sense, and that's just the way it is until it gets(hopefully) fixed. Right now it's ridiculous, in my opinion.


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Re: LE slice combo 06/02/2007 06:08 AM CDT
"Or, how about it just doesn't make sense, and that's just the way it is until it gets(hopefully) fixed. Right now it's ridiculous, in my opinion."

How about it does make sense and in my opinion its rediculous to want your knife to do as much damage as a weapon 5 times its size. Also remember that katars were actually down tweaked from thier original version because they did do to much damage.


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Re: LE slice combo 06/02/2007 06:55 PM CDT
>>How about it does make sense and in my opinion its rediculous to want your knife to do as much damage as a weapon 5 times its size.

Uh, what? I'm not talking about damage, I'm talking about the fact that most "big" weapons are lighter than "light" or "small" weapons, which is entirely backwards and ridiculous.


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Re: LE slice combo 06/02/2007 07:22 PM CDT
Thats my main point too, keep how LE's are but cut out 10 stones to make them LIGHT edged weapons, instead of requiring massive weights to get a decent damaging weapon.
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Re: LE slice combo 06/02/2007 07:40 PM CDT
And upping the balance to katars wouldn't hurt either. :) While I don't mind using pure shield when I play with my katars, it would be nice if I could actually parry with them.


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Re: LE slice combo 06/02/2007 08:15 PM CDT
Balance and suitability were the downtweaks to katars in the first place.

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Re: LE slice combo 06/02/2007 09:19 PM CDT
Why? Were they that bad before? I'm sure it was before my time, but I'm pretty curious on if they were that badly overpowered to deserve such a lethal hit to balance.


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Re: LE slice combo 06/03/2007 09:36 AM CDT
I used to own a balanced/tempered original katar. This means it was fairly balanced and well suited.

Even after the changes to increase RT, it would still out-damage my HE which was the one-handed side of a bastard sword. Something like low/heavy/low fair/fair.

It should be noted that Navak then, and still does, have quite a bit more strength than others at his circle.

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Re: LE slice combo 06/03/2007 10:33 AM CDT
>>Why? Were they that bad before? I'm sure it was before my time, but I'm pretty curious on if they were that badly overpowered to deserve such a lethal hit to balance.

Yes, at one time they were "The Weapon", got a slight downtweak, and then SCC weapons and later forging came in. I'm not sure many people have the old ones any more.

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Re: LE slice combo 06/03/2007 10:59 AM CDT
Geez, what made them so good when similar heavy weapons can pretty much get right down close to that RT with much higher damage and suitedness?


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Re: LE slice combo 06/03/2007 03:11 PM CDT
>>Geez, what made them so good when similar heavy weapons can pretty much get right down close to that RT with much higher damage and suitedness?

Heavy weapons don't have that much suitedness until you're well into the 2HE range.

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Re: LE slice combo 06/03/2007 09:43 PM CDT
Ahh, I see.


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Re: LE slice combo 06/04/2007 10:44 AM CDT
>How about it does make sense and in my opinion its rediculous to want your knife to do as much damage as a weapon 5 times its size. Also remember that katars were actually down tweaked from thier original version because they did do to much damage.


My thing is this...

2HE - you can make (or could make) a bastard sword with Severe slice that has Reasonable balance
HE - you can make (or could make) a bastard sword with Great slice that has Reasonable or high-end Fair balance
ME - you can make (or could make) a scimitar or sabre with Heavy slice/puncture that has Reasonable or high-end Fair balance
LE - you can make (or could make) a katar that has Moderate slice with nothing resembling anything remotely related to the definition of any term that resides within the same vicinity of what someone could exaggerate to the point of calling it balance, or a short sword that has Moderate puncture with Poor Balance.


One of these weapon classes is not like the others... One of these balance ratings just doesn't belong...



There really are not any LE slicers out there that have balance and decent damage. Sure a jambiya works decently against critters, but I've used one in sparring matches and in the pit and the armor arbsorbs all the damage. There are one or two decent LE stabbers out there (briquet for example), but I think the class as a whole needs a makeover.

Nobody is asking for LE weapons to do Severe, Great, or even Heavy damage, but I don't think Moderate damage with more than one-notch-above-none balance is too much to ask.


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Re: LE slice combo 06/13/2007 07:22 PM CDT
<<One of these weapon classes is not like the others... One of these balance ratings just doesn't belong...

Nice.


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