>>Badgopher: I've been trying to figure out, from an absolute min/max standpoint, does the large/heavy weapon category offer anything in current DR? Don't small weapons have almost the same stats, but swing a few seconds faster? And don't 2he weapons swing at almost the same speed but have disgustingly high stats?

In theory, the lack of an offensive/defensive penalty for using a two-handed edged weapon or blunt with a worn shield. In practice, I don't know that the penalty is severe enough that people would sacrifice damage to avoid it.

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It seems like the usefulness of LE was greatly diminished when arm-worn shields were introduced to the game. Their niche used to be that they were the largest and heaviest edged weapons one could wield while holding a shield. However, even though there is a penalty on both sides for 2HE (25% defensive reduction due to arm wearing a shield, and offensive penalty for using a two handed weapon with an arm-worn shield) it seems anecdotally negligible. I haven't played much mid-late game, so anyone else can feel free to weigh in there, but I have recently brought a character from almost every guild to circle 10-12. For every one of them, no matter the weapon used, arm-wearing a shield has been the most effective defense, and has been enough to protect me when hunting at level.

All this puts LE into a category filled with Brigandine Armor. Min-maxing is effective. You either want to minimize RT, or maximize damage. LE shares the RT tables with 2HE, and does considerably more damage. So, even though it requires more strength to get there, once you are minimizing the RT, 2HE does considerably more damage. SE is on a separate RT table, which LE/2HE can't match, so they will always have the potential to swing quicker.

Not to mention the convenience of an arm-worn shield. I can wield a 2 handed weapon in one hand, have plenty of shield defense still, swing that weapon, mix in off-hand brawling attacks or shield slams, skin and auto-bundle, pick up boxes and gems, etc.

The perk of a smaller weapon is supposed to be balance.

But...yeah, it's not really much of a perk at present.

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>slam left
< You slam a targe at a musk hog. A musk hog fails to evade. The targe lands a devastating hit (That'll leave a mark!) that deeply bruises the right thigh.
[You're slightly off balance with opponent in strong position.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]

>glance
You glance down to see a glaes shh'oi'ata (2HE) with a tempered blade in your right hand and nothing in your left hand.

>punch left
< You punch your armor-clad fist at a musk hog. A musk hog fails to evade. The fist lands an apocalyptic strike (So that's what it felt like when Grazhir shattered!) that shatters the left elbow and renders the lower left arm useless.
The musk hog falls to the ground and lies still.
[You're nimbly balanced]
[Roundtime 2 sec.]

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>shatters the left elbow and renders the lower left arm useless.

You are actually targeting left with the brawling move, not hitting with your left hand.

I can't slam with an arm worn shield. Tried it before posting. Maybe size of shield or your profession is in play?

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I was punching left with a 2he in my right hand. Both shield slam and offhand brawling are doable while wielding a 2he in your right hand, you just don't get any experience for brawling except with your dominant hand.

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Here's a test. Holding any weapon, at all, issue a "punch left" command. You will see that you actually always hit the left side of your target; arm, leg, whatever but it's always the left side you hit. This tells you that you are targeting the left side of your enemy and not using your left hand which would train offhand. In this instance wielding a two hander should give you a clue. Now try it with a one hander...same result. All weapons allow you to throw in a brawling move like punch, gouge, etc. to teach brawling regardless of if there is a weapon in the hand or not.

That's all I meant.

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3.0 brawling completely ignores hands, I don't think the brawling code even knows DR tracks hands. You can punch while holding a weapon in your right hand, in your left hand, in both hands, holding a shield, two shields, a backpack, your forging hammer and tongs, a martini, with useless wounds on both hands....

All the situations that weapon verbs ask if you wouldn't rather try to do that with a weapon, punching (or brawling in general) goes ahead and punches.

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Meh?

>> Brawling hasn't even been touched in.......how long? It is a very old system of coding.

Since the 3.0 conversion when all of combat was rewritten.

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Bring Balance to well Balance.
>The perk of a smaller weapon is supposed to be balance.

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>>It has a perk, bonus accuracy. Accuracy bonuses damage up to a reasonable point. If we all didn't underhunt 24/7 we'd collectively notice it a lot more.

I thought this was something that went away with 3.0? Unless I'm misunderstanding either 3.0, or what you're saying. My understanding has been that now, accuracy is only that, your chance to hit, and does not directly affect the damage of your hits.

Although, if that is in fact true, since you mention under-hunting maybe this is what you mean; you would do more damage over time with a more accurate weapon because presumably a less accurate weapon will be missing more often.

>>The degree to which accuracy boosts damage was significantly decreased in 3.0, but extra accuracy still gives a bit of extra damage.

That, and the higher the balance of the weapon the higher the chance to recover from a fumble roll. Balance does stuff, however stacking balance and agility will no longer allow you to land apoc strikes vs damite plate with a knitting needle, no.

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