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experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 05/28/2015 08:51 AM CDT

I couldn't find an easy way to log in stormfront so I sat down and manually took some data points before and after activating an exp booster. I used 1 tert skill (outdoorsmanship) 1 secondary (magic) and one lore (alchemy) for reference. The secondary was getting trained sometimes as I was taking down the data points, sorry. If anyone has a good way to log/export exp in stormfront please let me know.

Also, as a note I timed and made sure f2p experience pulses the same as everyone else, 200secs. This is true for boost and nonboost.

Alchemy: 82 21.32% attentive BOOST

Primary skill, nonboost ~1.685 2.88
Secondary skill, nonboost ~.775 1.54
Tert skill, nonboost ~.68 boost 1.26

Given this, here is my theory:
A booster is basically double EXP.
F2P exp rate is basically HALF of the subscription rate.
Note that the drain rate of lock to clear did not appear to change either, but there is data lacking there to be positive, but if this is the case, this is truely half exp.

I'm guessing the deviation on the primary skill was due to it being in the primary skillset and under 100 ranks. But you guys and gals feel free to conjecture, its not much but I hope it helps.

OLSONM6

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 05/28/2015 11:35 AM CDT

>Note that the drain rate of lock to clear did not appear to change either, but there is data lacking there to be positive, but if this is the case, this is truely half exp.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but the pool size isn't affected, just the pulse rate. It's like having all your skills on a wall rank, or having a huge wisdom debuff.

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AKILOVE

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 05/28/2015 01:57 PM CDT

I meant that the time it takes to go from Mind lock to clear didn't seem to change.

OLSONM6

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 05/28/2015 02:29 PM CDT

>I meant that the time it takes to go from Mind lock to clear didn't seem to change.

If that's the case then you're actually losing experience, but based on the mind state of your pools you're going down more mind states when the boost is on so I think the time from ML to clear might be shorter? Worth testing, anyway.

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 05/28/2015 02:33 PM CDT

Id be happy to test more, but I've no idea how to do it without doing it manually, which is a chore :(
If anyone knows of a good script let me know, and i'll test it another time.

AKILOVE

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 06/08/2015 10:55 AM CDT

Just so you all know, I tested a bit more and it does seem that the exp penalty for f2p is 2x slower drain at base penalty. Or if you want to look at it differently, subscribers get 2x drain rate bonus.

The pool size is not affected at all.
The penalty is reduced at lower ranks, and this seems to go away as you near 100 ranks in a (primary?) skill.
Exp booster nullifies this.

Thanks for the insight.

FROSC02

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 08/15/2015 05:46 PM CDT

Here's some additional data.

This is weapon prime, survival/armor secondary, lore/magic tertiary.

As we can see in the data below, at the 200 rank range the XP boost accounts for about a 3x increase in pulse sizes. Based on this it would seem the F2P XP penalty scales the higher your skill ranks are.

If anyone has a F2P character with ~300 ranks in skills, I'd be very interested to have them repeat this test.

XP BOOST	SKILL	RANK	CHANGE
NO	Stealth	208 99.77
NO	Stealth	209 00.13	+0.36
NO	Stealth	209 07.06
NO	Stealth	209 07.37	+0.29
NO	Inner Fire	192 49.10
NO	Inner Fire	192 49.35	+0.25
NO	Augmentation	189 61.00
NO	Augmentation	189 61.21	+0.21
NO	Brawling	205 53.85
NO	Brawling	205 54.31	+0.46
NO	Offhand Weapon	210 07.04
NO	Offhand Weapon	210 07.53	+0.49

XP BOOST	SKILL	RANK	CHANGE
YES	Stealth	209 08.00
YES	Stealth	209 08.95	+0.95
YES	Defending	196 86.99
YES	Defending	196 88.14	+1.15
YES	Inner Fire	192 52.11
YES	Inner Fire	192 52.86	+0.75
YES	Augmentation	189 63.29
YES	Augmentation	189 63.91	+0.62
YES	Brawling	205 55.22
YES	Brawling	205 56.68	+1.46
YES	Offhand Weapon	210 08.51
YES	Offhand Weapon	210 10.08	+1.57

AKILOVE

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 08/19/2015 08:56 AM CDT

I need to point out that my earlier conjecture about time from mind lock to clear was definitely wrong, the exp boost definitely makes it faster. Thanks for pointing that out. In addition I think he is right about the slowdown increasing with more ranks. Here is some pulses from me, unboosted raw data.

Outdoorsmanship: 184 18.22% very engaged (23/34)
Outdoorsmanship: 184 18.53% very engaged (23/34)
(tertiary +.31)
Appraisal: 244 64.49% studious (19/34)
Appraisal: 244 64.98% analyzing (18/34)
(primary +.49)
Alchemy: 225 21.24% mind lock (34/34)
Alchemy: 225 21.73% nearly locked (33/34)
Primary (+.49)
Forging: 90 18.52% engrossed (27/34)
Forging: 90 20.31% captivated (26/34)
Primary (+1.79)
First Aid: 100 25.72% mind lock (34/34)
First Aid: 100 26.45% nearly locked (33/34)
Tertiary (+.73)
Augmentation: 223 80.46% mind lock (34/34)
Augmentation: 223 80.76% mind lock (34/34)
Secondary (+.30)

BRYCOLE83

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 08/19/2015 11:21 AM CDT

Don't forget about wall ranks affecting boost.

I think they are still around.

It was most noticeable with tertiary skillsets which had wall ranks every 8 ranks. There was also a gradual decline exp pulses until the wall ranks.

For example:

Rank 100: Very fast
Rank 105: Semi fast
Rank 108: Godawful slow
Rank 109: very fast

I believe it affects primary & secondary but to a lesser degree. Primary is every other (but can be negligible on primary) and secondary is every 4.

Again, old information, may not be applicable anymore.

ABSOLON

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 08/19/2015 11:54 AM CDT

Wall ranks are (almost) abolished. They still exist every other rank for every skill but at a minimal difference. Either or both of the engine and experience code didn't support the complete removal of a wall rank (i suspect an unavoidable division by zero error) so they did this as the next best solution.

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AKILOVE

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 08/19/2015 07:13 PM CDT

Yes, 'wall ranks' are now on an even-odd cycle so the penalty is spread out instead of being at one rank. Easy way to handle it is to only compare even rank drain rates with even rank drain rates, and odd with odd.

For example Alchemy and Appraisal are draining the same, despite Appraisal being a bit higher ranked, in the previous example.

Now take this data point from one rank later, appraisal having become an odd rank too:
Appraisal: 245 01.97% captivated (26/34)
Appraisal: 245 02.43% captivated (26/34)
(Primary +.46)
That +.03 difference is from the 'wall rank'. Odd-numbered skills seem to move a tad slower, but its not too bad.

Please correct me if i'm wrong.

FROSC02

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 09/24/2015 04:00 PM CDT

More data.

F2P penalty seems to continue to scale post-200 ranks. Unfortunately at this stage I did not have a ~300 rank tertiary skill to test with, and all ~250 rank tertiary skills were on odd ranks.

With XP Boost:
* Primary skill was ~3.2x faster.
* Secondary skill was ~3.1x faster.
* Tertiary skill was ~3.5x faster; a surprising difference given that this is only about +60 ranks from when last measured.

XP BOOST	SKILL	RANK	PULSE
NO	Expertise	316 47.19%
NO	Expertise	316 47.55%	+0.36
NO	Missile Mastery	315 48.76%
NO	Missile Mastery	315 49.09%	+0.33
NO	Perception	287 84.95%
NO	Perception	287 85.20%	+0.25
NO	Stealth	286 35.75%
NO	Stealth	286 36.03%	+0.28
NO	Inner Fire	255 74.40%
NO	Inner Fire	255 74.54%	+0.14

XP BOOST	SKILL	RANK	PULSE
YES	Expertise	316 47.91%
YES	Expertise	316 49.06%	+1.15
YES	Expertise	316 50.21%	+1.15
YES	Missile Mastery	315 49.09%
YES	Missile Mastery	315 50.15%	+1.06
YES	Missile Mastery	315 51.20%	+1.05
YES	Perception	287 85.20%
YES	Perception	287 85.95%	+0.75
YES	Perception	287 86.70%	+0.75
YES	Stealth	286 36.03%
YES	Stealth	286 36.91%	+0.88
YES	Stealth	286 37.78%	+0.87
YES	Inner Fire	255 74.54%
YES	Inner Fire	255 75.05%	+0.49
YES	Inner Fire	255 75.55%	+0.50

VOLCANUS

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 09/24/2015 04:23 PM CDT

I love your data. Do we know if F2P, even with the boost, is slower than subs?

NINEVAH1

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 09/24/2015 05:08 PM CDT

>>Do we know if F2P, even with the boost, is slower than subs?

My guess would be yes. The GMs were careful to say that F2P with the exp booster would be near to subbed levels. That was both on the forums and in chatter.

FROSC02

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 10/24/2015 02:12 PM CDT

Another month, another data point. Unfortunately no even rank tertiary skills were available this time around.

Overall, the gain observed from XP Boost remained similar to the last measurements, so it may be that the F2P penalty is either capped or asymptotic at this point.

XP BOOST	SKILL	RANK	PULSE
NO	Melee Mastery	386 73.74%
NO	Melee Mastery	386 74.08%	+0.34
NO	Melee Mastery	386 74.41%	+0.33
NO	Expertise	381 53.86%
NO	Expertise	381 54.15%	+0.29
NO	Expertise	381 54.43%	+0.28
NO	Stealth	341 83.49%
NO	Stealth	341 83.70%	+0.21
NO	Stealth	341 83.92%	+0.22
NO	Evasion	318 82.42%
NO	Evasion	318 82.68%	+0.26
NO	Evasion	318 82.94%	+0.26
NO	Inner Fire	299 81.88%
NO	Inner Fire	299 82.01%	+0.13
NO	Inner Fire	299 82.14%	+0.13

XP BOOST	SKILL	RANK	PULSE
YES	Melee Mastery	386 75.74%
YES	Melee Mastery	386 76.74%	+1.00
YES	Melee Mastery	386 77.74%	+1.00
YES	Expertise	381 54.99%
YES	Expertise	381 55.89%	+0.90
YES	Expertise	381 56.80%	+0.91
YES	Stealth	341 84.35%
YES	Stealth	341 85.03%	+0.68
YES	Stealth	341 85.71%	+0.68
YES	Evasion	318 83.20%
YES	Evasion	318 84.01%	+0.81
YES	Evasion	318 84.82%	+0.81
YES	Inner Fire	299 82.40%
YES	Inner Fire	299 82.84%	+0.44
YES	Inner Fire	299 83.28%	+0.44

VOLCANUS

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 10/24/2015 08:23 PM CDT

Thanks for the data!

FROSC02

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Re: experience booster and f2p exp drain rate data points 07/29/2016 12:54 PM CDT

Figured I'd come back and do a quick update on this since I've increased my ranks quite a bit since last time. For primary skillset the closest skill I had on an odd rank was ~100 behind, although in practice this seemed to make little difference.

The effectiveness from XP boost still remains in the same range (~3x to 3.4x) so it seems safe to assume that this is the cap.

XP BOOST	SKILL	RANK	PULSE
NO	Melee Mastery	798 87.53
NO	Melee Mastery	798 87.71	+0.18
NO	Parry Ability	705 36.30
NO	Parry Ability	705 36.47	+0.17
NO	Shield Usage	670 40.21
NO	Shield Usage	670 40.36	+0.15
NO	Perception	693 28.75
NO	Perception	693 28.88	+0.13
NO	Augmentation	588 72.72
NO	Augmentation	588 72.82	+0.10
NO	Inner Fire	591 15.68
NO	Inner Fire	591 15.77	+0.09

XP BOOST	SKILL	RANK	PULSE
YES	Melee Mastery	798 87.71
YES	Melee Mastery	798 88.25	+0.54
YES	Parry Ability	705 37.03
YES	Parry Ability	705 37.59	+0.56
YES	Shield Usage	670 40.81
YES	Shield Usage	670 41.27	+0.46
YES	Perception	693 28.88
YES	Perception	693 29.26	+0.38
YES	Augmentation	588 72.82
YES	Augmentation	588 73.16	+0.34
YES	Inner Fire	591 15.77
YES	Inner Fire	591 16.04	+0.27

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