Right now we receive the exact same message when failing to start a climb practice session due to not being in the correct skill range whether we are below the minimum required or above the maximum it will teach to.

"This climb is no challenge at all, so you stop practicing."

While technically correct for both situations, the message taken at face value implies that you have too much skill for the climb to teach rather than possibly not enough. Also, there's no way to be able to differentiate which is actually the correct situation if you don't know what the skill range of the climbing object is. Being able to know if you just need more skill to be able to practice on a climbing spot or so much skill that you'll never be able to practice on a climbing spot would be nice.

The suggestion: Keep the current messaging for when you outclass the climb, but add a different message indicating when you have too little skill to initiate a practice climbing session. E.g. "This climb is so challenging that you don't even know where to begin, so you stop practicing."

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Unfortunately, appraising a climb only distinguishes whether you can actually climb an object which doesn't always have a bearing on its ability to be used for climb practice for some reason.

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I mean, that's what CLIMB PRACTICE is. Athletics doesn't just represent "how swole you are" but more like applied kinesthetics, i.e. how good you are at making your body do things like climbing and swimming.

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>>I mean, that's what CLIMB PRACTICE is. Athletics doesn't just represent "how swole you are" but more like applied kinesthetics, i.e. how good you are at making your body do things like climbing and swimming.

Currently Athletics covers a very wide range of activities. I just think it'd be nice now that its named Athletics and no longer swimming and climbing. Does climbing really represent the only way to get athletics? You can train it with Flee in combat as well. Its just a quality of life suggestion to make athletics trainable in more varied ways.

Maybe if you added in something like Train Athletics it would teach less than finding a climb, but its more convenient for someone who doesn't feel the need to go scale a cliff, jump into a river or flee from wild goblins and still wants to stay in shape.

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>>Athletics ranks are not an abstract of "staying in shape" though. That is what I'm trying to explain.

And i'm saying athletics can be trained in broader ways than swimming or climbing. I understand you fine. You shouldn't need a tree, river or rock to gain "athletics".

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>>I mean its not like Athletics is only factored into swimming and climbing.

Eh... given that it was a combination of the swimming and climbing skills and I don't think we've really released anything athletic since 3.0 this isn't an entirely accurate statement.

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Hitting a button that says "gain athlets experience" sounds boring. Climb practice is already pretty lame in that respect but this seems even less fun.

I already want to type QUIT and boot up Skyrim instead every time I collect a pile or open a compendium.

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>>Ya, I mean, spamming climb 40 times on the undergondola, alone, for 2 hours, that's so awesome.

AFAIK, if you're doing that for two hours you're training in an area that is too easy.

>>Or hitting a button that says '.climbcrossingswalls', also awesome.

I understand what you're saying, but "people just script it" could be an argument made for pretty much every skill in the game. I don't know of a particular skill I don't have a script for.

Honestly, the problems of Athleticism is that it's a skill that has a useful application that you rarely have to take advantage of in a repetitive (or naturally time-consuming) manner, which is how every other skill in the game generally trains. In other words, the time it takes to "naturally" use it is by no means enough time to train it. It's not like opening boxes, or mining, or evading, or training weapons/armors, or casting magic (at least combat magic...), or crafting items... etc. When people train those skills, they lock them because they do enough stuff and produce enough results to lock the skill. Athletics doesn't work that way.

AFAIK, the expectation is that someone should do 10-15 minutes worth of "stuff" before locking a skill. There's no 10-15 minute "thing" in athleticism that someone would naturally do.

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>>I already want to type QUIT and boot up Skyrim instead every time I collect a pile or open a compendium.

The world is your oyster!

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I'd love it.

I'm all for it. More spells that blow limbs off please while you are at it.

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