Swimming = Athletics = Climbing.. Try climbing for Athletics.

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IMO swimming is always going to be suboptimal to climbing because swimming has a RT and climbing doesn't.

As far as I can tell, swimming also has a heavy stat component when determining RT (which seems to not always be connected to success in swimming a room or not). I know I hit a wall when it came to training swimming because I've intentionally decided to cap my Gnome's strength at 30.

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>>I may be wrong, but it certainly sounds like you're trying to make a case against raising swimming experience.

I'm not against raising swimming experience, I'm just pointing out that climbing experience is always going to be the go-to option because it's roundtime free. Your ability to get athletics by climbing is only bottlenecked by how many rooms you can script through at once.

I'm all for more swimming experience, but I'd also hope to see the way roundtime reductions and etc get calculated also get reassessed when swimming, because otherwise it's still going to be the #2 choice.

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Yeah swimming would probably always be #2 choice, that is fine. But yeah I think you are right, something is fishy with the RTs so maybe they could be looked at/reduced and experience increased a lot. It should be ok to train swimming even if not super quick like climbing.

Or just leave the RTs as is, and add an exp bonus based on the RT you get. (Sort of like what was added to crossbow load times)

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Bumping this. At least a little uptweak in swimming would be divine. I can jump every wall in crossing in 38 seconds and get to 6/34. Why are the walls even there, invaders can just climb them with no RT? But swimming where I get 4-7 second RT gets me to 6/34 in 10 minutes. That's a huge difference. There are places no one swims because of it, yet nearly everyone .shardclimb and .crossingclimb. It's kind of absurd.


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is there a specific area and reason that you go prone in water so often? Are you hunting something like sharks?

Nikpack

>Might be easier to just assume that prone in deep water doesn't mean swimming position and standing in deep water doesn't mean doggy paddling.

I'd be interested in hearing what you think prone means in deep water if you're envisioning something other than a swimming position since you're typically vertical, supine or prone.

Unless you envision your character submersed and drowning if they're prone, either is pretty topkek.

So what would you consider a prone position in deep water if it's not in a swimming position?

I'm truly curious.

<<Bumping this. At least a little uptweak in swimming would be divine. I can jump every wall in crossing in 38 seconds and get to 6/34. Why are the walls even there, invaders can just climb them with no RT? But swimming where I get 4-7 second RT gets me to 6/34 in 10 minutes. That's a huge difference. There are places no one swims because of it, yet nearly everyone .shardclimb and .crossingclimb. It's kind of absurd. >>

Not sure how to respond to this. But lets just try this out. There are places in crossing where you can climb (even using climb practice PLACE) and get your skill over 700+. So it appears to me you have not found any of those places yet. In addition the selgotha has an island on it where climbing can go well over 550, and your better off using climb practice there too. And you learn it quite fast. Also in shard you can use climbing to get over 1100 without too much problem, and pretty close to 1000 using swimming, but thats the nature of climbing and swimming. Not every province has the ability to hit those high levels. The .crossingclimb (though I've not looked at it for some time) really does not cover really high skill levels. Most of the walls can be climbed to around 350 skill or so without too much problem. Beyond that you have to start finding the little places that work it higher. And yes no one with higher skills bothers to swim in most places that dont train them unless its an area to get past a ferry or gondola or some other barrier.

Ranger Pfanston and his soggy pup.

Not sure if your crossing climbing script included holding things to make the climbs tougher. Doing that can definitely increase how long a particular climbing area will teach you.
I used to wield two weapons before running a series of climbs.

I know the original topic was about swimming experience, and I'll have to agree it is miserable to train. I trained climbing all the time and swimming at a minimum to meet my guild requirements. Combining them made me really happy. I trained swimming long enough to swim upriver on the Jantspyre and that was the end of any serious effort.

The undergondola can teach for a really long time. It trains a lot sooner from the south end, climbing all the smaller climbs before you are able to climb the four big ones to the north end. Once you are able to climb the tougher climbs in the area and include them you will learn even more. Again holding two weapons increases how long it will teach even further.

I never thought it was a big deal to run down to the gondola from Crossing for climbing. For awhile I hunted on M'Riss, crafting (and socializing) in Crossing and trained survivals at the undergondola. The balloon was the only time consuming portion of travel, but I could train crafting or a few other things while riding it too.

>>Why hasn't swimming exp been tweaked to be in line with climbing? Is there a mechanical reason? Why does a 15 second RT swim not even give me 1 mindstate while a 40 second Crossing Climb Every Wall gives me 6 mindstates?

This is more because climbing doesn't currently reflect the work = roundtime (or some form of time passage) = experience model everything else follows.

That said, swimming is in sore need of some kind of exp bump. Also adjusting how much strength matters in the RT formula!

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