> Devitalize: Now a TM/Debil hybrid (Fatigue drain is a Debilitation effect).

In keeping with this, shouldn't ABAN be TM/Debil?

When you say hybrid, does that mean rebuke will teach TM and debilitation on each cast?

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>>When you say hybrid, does that mean rebuke will teach TM and debilitation on each cast?

>>Contest and teach, yes.

Are the two results independent of eachother based off of their respective checks? Can you get damage without knockdown, and knockdown without damage, or separate levels of success depending on each check?

Regarding SV - if you're already at full Vitality, will it still train Utility?

Is Spirit drain considered a debil effect, or a TM effect? For something like SA/ChS.

I've backed out of the changes to SV, Rebuke and Devitalize for now. I'm a little philosophically torn about the approach as the examples provided show we're opening a significant can of worms here.

I think a better approach may be to make sure these TM+ spells are pure TM through making sure the secondary effects are clearly linked to the damage. That's how Devitalize, for example, is set up.

That does mean that Rebuke likely needs the knock down contest revisited at some point. I was already considering it as the current system is... not terribly fair (Which is putting it mildly).

Likewise, I just noticed that ABAN is set up in a very weird way that uses very non-standard mechanics to determine the spirit damage (Though the fatigue damage is liked to it) and I don't really know why.

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I went to play with Devitalize on test and do like the fatigue hit.

Bug:
I did notice that the TARGET verb seems to be borked though. Using the target verb to prep the spell only preps the spell and does not actually target it. Even using the long form of >target devi 10 at wolf. Just wanted to pass this on.

>>DR-Raesh: Ethereal Fissure: Now an AoE non-battle spell.

>>Totliio: Can I ask what that means exactly? Is it not castable in combat now?

Non-battle spells have longer prep times and substantially longer durations. (Battle spells generally last for 2-10 minutes; non-battle spells generally last for 10-40 minutes.)

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