Held Mana spells for a ranger is a death trap we'll have to run to find an emapth every time because of the nerve damage. Rangers are dependent on magic to try to equalize on some shortcomings. Suggest you re-examine those two spells CS and BES, they are two of the most underutilized spells in the ranger book.



Nimmo "Cabana Boy"

Nimmo brings his cupped hand forward and pulls it back, holds a flat palm above his eyes and then brings his cupped hand forward and pulls it back.

Please fix these spells or wipe them entirely.

Thanks,


~Dulcinia

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Bractos: I have a whole new appreciation for this all female regiment thing now.

Allurana asks, "Does this mean we get to kill men now?"

I would like to suggest that spells like BES and CS become a 'gulping' spell instead of a held mana spell.

For example: We would prep the spell and cast it. Once in effect, lets say it only lasts about 30 seconds at no bonus or a minimal bonus to us until we harness mana. Lets say that we choose to harness 40 mana. The harnessing process, right now as the system stands, takes 3 seconds. Perhaps after about 7 seconds, the mana would be swallowed into the spell leaving you with ~0 held mana~ and the effects of the spell increased. We actually saw a portion of this in the old magic system when we ~added~ mana after our original harness, and I would like to see this ability to feed the active spell stay with us. Those are the trademarks of those spells in my opinion.

As for the negative effects of it: Perhaps if we harness too much(by feeding the active spell), we will start feeling queasy and begin to get a stomach ache giving us an internal abdomen bleeder.

Another idea, but perhaps more far fetched, is creating a verb called DIVERT which will allow us to divert mana into a particular spell giving us the choice of which spell to introduce our held mana into. As a side effect of DIVERT, I was thinking a small portion of fatigue should be used, but maybe a diversion pool could be made instead having only a certain amount of diversion in an alloted period of time.

Not only would this solve our problems with the held mana spells, but it would help keep the uniqueness of those spells.

Muely

I agree. In their current form, these spells, to me, are worthless.


~Dulcinia

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Bractos: I have a whole new appreciation for this all female regiment thing now.

Allurana asks, "Does this mean we get to kill men now?"

>>I have decided to completely ignore those paths as well, because they are held mana. a change would be wonderful.<<

My sentiments exactly.
Shinumo

<<I'd love to hear from someone who actually finds these spells to be useful and is not regretting the spell slot they used. >>

You won't, heh.

Teesha

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<<You won't, heh.>>

Yeah, I doubted that I would. :-)

~ Mehathi

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No ranger I know of wants these mana held spells, so why don't we get rid of them so we can get back to complaining about compost and how bad swarm is now? Where are all those ranger spells that were in the makings and where the heck is Awaken Forest? Ah, must be the freeze! <Gives the GMs a big bear hug for taking all the harrasment!>

Naturn, who has all the spells except mana held, yet has 5 empty spell slots!

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I've seen a lot of complaints about held mana spells over here ... while I'm not suggesting they're not total crap, I do have a way to make them less painful.

Based on available mana in the room you're in, harness in small enough increments to minimally impact your attunement. In other words, if you need to hold 40 mana, find the best mana room you can and harness it 5 at a time. The less you make that little ASCII bar move the less impact it will have on your nerves. Once you have it actually harnessed I've never been able to determine that the mana in the room mattered at all but actually harnessing it up makes a big difference.

Passionata

<Based on available mana in the room you're in, harness in small enough increments to minimally impact your attunement. In other words, if you need to hold 40 mana, find the best mana room you can and harness it 5 at a time. The less you make that little ASCII bar move the less impact it will have on your nerves. Once you have it actually harnessed I've never been able to determine that the mana in the room mattered at all but actually harnessing it up makes a big difference.>

This works in theory and if you can stay in that one room, but in my experience rangers stalk critters and for other reasons move from room to room when hunting. It just takes passing through a room with no mana to impact this. Harnessing also has a round time so the more times you harness the more time you spend in round time. Round time effects many things especially if you are a bow user. There are simply too many drawbacks to make mana held spells viable enough to be desirable.

Naturn

<<<raises his hand>>>

You might be the only one.


<<<<I've said it before, I'll say it again: harness 60 mana, cast BeS, wait for stamina boost to kick in (can take 5-10 seconds) then release the mana. Lose the strength boost, retain the stamina boost and be "Incredibly full of strength" indefinately ... it lasts until you get hit and it gets taken away.>>>

This is a bug, if I recall. They already fixed it with Courage as I remember. Bear dance and BES have it too, and I bet thats fixed someday... the extra stam was only supposed to last while the effect was active, was the reasoning for the change as I recall.

<<I would still vote for them being changed to duration spells, >>

You arent the only one here. These things need help, they suck, at least they used to teach good.



Thanks for reading
~Sammee

<<This is a bug, if I recall. They already fixed it with Courage as I remember. Bear dance and BES have it too, and I bet thats fixed someday... the extra stam was only supposed to last while the effect was active, was the reasoning for the change as I recall.>>

Heh lovely. The only useful (in my mind) aspect of BES is a bug.


~ Mehathi

To anyone who might send something critical to me, this is my response:

I am sitting here in the smallest room in my house with your letter of criticism before me. Soon it will be behind me.

~ H.L. Mencken

actually what would make CS useful is if the bonus didn't immediatly fade as soon as the spell ended, sorta like 3 seconds after you release the effect fades

what will this do?

well it'll cause the SvA spells to get the boost from CS thus increase their power, which would make them even deadlier then they are now.


--The light is blinding and purges all in its path, leaving only shadows behind, but long after the light has dwindled the shadows will remain to rise and swallow the ruins in darkness

>REG and AD tend to be the most underused spells for us, and the reason why is all that darned twitching. Amagaim

Since you can't even get Regen until you have HW and HS - by the time you do get it, I'd call it far from underused by most Empaths.
AD I use a lot, and Regen and AD together a lot. I'd say it's more what we get used to, as I rarely (maybe 6 times) in my life used BS. Go figure.

Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree.


Xochi
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