anyone should be able to protect i think, just paladins get special forms of it and bonus, its silly someone cant protect someone


Don't fear the dark, fear what hides in it.

I think it should remain paladin only, and that more guilds should have abililties that encourage hunting as a group.

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"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others." ~~ G.O.

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I too think paladins should keep exclusivity on PROTECT, but GUARDing someone should be easier. I don't understand why if a critter is advancing a person I', guarding, and I advance it too, all of a sudden I can't guard them anymore? I have given up on guard as a functional tool when hunting with my wife. Longbow and log work much better, which is sad I think, as I am melee prime and quite proud of my multi/parry/shield skills. Do I have any constructive suggestions? Not really, and that stems from a lack of understanding of the system, I may have to play with it a bit more to see if I can come up with anything.

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>I disagree with the idea that allowing a person to protect their spouse somehow infringes on the Paladins' niche.

Protect is a defining ability of the paladin guild, like glyphs and smite. Should everyone be able to backstab? Thieves can. Oh, but I want to be able to role play x. Well, then there's an inn, type 'reroll confirm'. If you want to be able to backstab like a thief, roll up a thief. If you want to be able to protect like a paladin, then play a paladin. That's what paladins do and do it very well.

So.... leave protect to the paladins and rewrite guard. All problems are sovled. (Except for the GM that has to code it)

Perhaps you should get your wench back in line so there is no reason for you intercept arrows and shards.

Who is wearing the pants in that family anyways?

Oh how little you know Sakhara!

Anyway- you came on the boards asking to share an exclusive Paladin ability in order to enhance your RP. Hey nothing wrong with that. I would love to be able to go berserk with my cleric in order to better RP destroying undead with my sword but I can understand why some barbarians would be perturbed by the idea.

Why not instead ask for a inguild method for your character to be able to protect your spouse? If you are a Warmie ask for a spell. If you are a barbarian ask for an additional roar or dance. Just don't be surprised when you casually request to be able to share a guild specific ability and folks point out it is a guild specific ability.

And as for RP- well your character apparently is not as good at protecting other folks as a Paladin is. You could RP your frustration at your ineptitude at protecting her. There are many ways to RP, as I am sure you are aware- not all of them require whole systems to change in DR.

Flavius

"Why not instead ask for a inguild method for your character to be able to protect your spouse? If you are a Warmie ask for a spell. If you are a barbarian ask for an additional roar or dance. Just don't be surprised when you casually request to be able to share a guild specific ability and folks point out it is a guild specific ability."

Good idea! Devs, it would be cool if warmies had a spell which allowed for them to protect people from attacks. For instance, perhaps an earth spell that would cause a stone barrier to rise up out of the ground in front of the spell's recipient. It might give a boost to the underused earth book, and in my opinion warmies could use some more spells that don't involve directly hurting or messing with a target.

That said, it's fairly obvious given my original subject title that I know that Protect is a guild-specific ability. If someone feels the need to tell me something I obviously already know, either they aren't thinking or they're trying to imply that I have some ulterior motive.

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"How about a fortress made of ice? It could be in the water book."

Ha. Ha. Ha. Funny. I want a spell to protect my wife, not to sit around in an ice fortress while someone waits outside to shoot us when we come out. It's different to have a little fortress to hang out in than it is to use a stone barrier to deflect projectiles being shot at another player. You might as well make fun of fire shard and gar zeng for being too similar.

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i was not aware that protect is guild defining ability of the paladin guild any more then hiding at melee is for rangers, things can change. Paladins prime is armor not protecting other people, any idiot should be able to protect someone, if i want to stand in front of an arrow shot at him i should be able to do so. People argued anyone should be able to hide at melee cause it made no sense so now its done but they suck at it. Barbs claim forging is theyre guild defining skill as well, but just because they dont want to lose it in forging2, but they WILL lose being the only ones


Thus i dont see how a completely realistic thing for any person to do to some extend is such a unreasonable question

Don't fear the dark, fear what hides in it.

>>"How about a fortress made of ice? It could be in the water book."

>Ha. Ha. Ha. Funny.

Yes, I am taking this thread lightly. :D

A few quick thoughts:
1) I stated my opinion that its a Paladin thing, coded specifically for Paladins, and I beleive it should stay as Paladin only. I don't beleive it hurts to ask for sensible changes, however.

2) Guard sucks. No doubt.

3) As a player of a Paladin primarily, I am quite happy that folks actually recognize some of the abilities we now have .. this is a new trend for us, because we used be red-headed step children .. kudos to the game designers, and coders for putting us in this position.

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>Paladins prime is armor not protecting other people

Check out the guild definitions -- not your definitions, the game designer definitions, before you eat any more shoe leather.

https://www.play.net/dr/info/guilds/paladin.asp
https://www.play.net/dr/info/guilds/paladinbg.asp
Then listen to Darius' join speech.
Additionally, understand the meaning of 2 of the first 5 glyph quests, specifically #1, and #5.

>Thus i dont see how a completely realistic thing for any person to do to some extend is such a unreasonable question

This statement really means, "its cool as hell, I want it".

<<i was not aware that protect is guild defining ability of the paladin guild>>

It is, and there are no plans to change that. The request for protect came from Solomon through Maelona, and I coded it explicitly for Paladins. Protect extends far beyond just protecting players and it's a niche ability for Paladins.

Protect your wife? You have consent if you're bonded and she is attacked. Let your sword do the talking. If you can't let the sword do it for you, you're probably not skilled enough to protect them anyway. In either case, ask a Paladin to protect your spouse.

-Ssra


The ultimate in reasoning is to come to the realization that there are still an infinite number of things that are unreasonable. -Blaise Pascal

speaking of protection, will paladins ever be able to protect others from missile attacks or "death-from-above" type spells? == other than by bannering?


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<<But can we get your thoughts on the GUARD verb? When examining the engagement system (I think that's supposed to happen, could be wrong) will GUARD also get looked at to make it a little easier to effectively guard someone?>>

It could use some work and we do have plans for it. It's premature to talk about it at this point because it's not on anyone's current project list. As the time comes, we'll fire up a discussion.

Thanks.

-Ssra


The ultimate in reasoning is to come to the realization that there are still an infinite number of things that are unreasonable. -Blaise Pascal

>I also plan to make protect, creature compatible so traders can hire guards and familiars/companions/pets etc. have the capability. Oh yeah, and setting it up so that creatures can protect other creatures will be possible as well. Though, no timeline on that, it's not easy to setup.

Umm, Ssra?

Based on your earlier answer, does that make all creatures, in fact, Paladins?

LOL

<<I also plan to make protect, creature compatible so traders can hire guards and familiars/companions/pets etc. have the capability>>
<<Based on your earlier answer, does that make all creatures, in fact, Paladins?>>




my yaks got a VERY funny look on their face when I got them matching HP suits...


Bagsodoks...tongue firmly in cheek...


Seriously, good news Ssra. You rock.

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The scavenger troll bends over and picks up the Moongate. After appraising it, the troll places the Moongate in its frayed knapsack

and be able to use smite foe and halt while wearing the heretic title.

I am --- Navak

sure ya can have BS if we also get spells , glyphs and all that


BAckstab is the entire thief thing almost, protect is a small paladin part, like poison making was for thieves and now its paladin as well


I think protect should be paladin only but some sorta verb very similiar in theory to it but much harder should be put in for others, if i want to stand in frond of a novice and get shot instead of him i should be able too, it makes no sense that a paladin is the only person capable of standingf in front of someone and being shot. Its not the protecting factor i want its the ability to take a shot thus giving me the consent to use my other abilities, its silly i as a RPing savage have to stand and watch my friends being killed when a paladin can get permission to kill anyone who messes with theyre friends


Don't fear the dark, fear what hides in it.

it makes no sense for a thief to protect his family or brothers?

odd you have a different RP view of thieves then me


Don't fear the dark, fear what hides in it.

No. That is how you get sniping removed.

I am --- Navak