>>If I harness mana during that time, I'm guaranteed to have nerve damage in short order.

Oh huh, I never noticed this. Sounds like an oversight more than anything, given that we're kind of expected to be in the lower spectrum range of mana now with the way the system works. Maybe repost in the Magic folder?

~ Leilond
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I pulled this line from Elanthipedia...

Sorcery is another new magic skill, but it behaves very differently than the other four new skills. Your Sorcery skill indicates your ability to use mana types that you're unfamiliar with. This is used instead of your Primary Magic skill to determine if you're able to cast a spell that uses a different mana type. Training this skill is NOT, in and of itself, illegal. However, some spells are still illegal to use in any town, and if you use them (or explicitly teach Sorcery) you can be charged with Forbidden Practices. The best way to train Sorcery is simply to cast spells from other mana types that you find on scrolls.


Okay, so in order to use a spell scroll or a runestone from another type of mana (Almost the only reason to use them, btw) I now have to have this Sorcery skill which I just earned my first rank in an hour ago. Okay, I don't mind that. Here's what I do mind.. getting arrested for teaching the skill that is needed for them. If the lore of the game itself hasn't changed and this is all supposed to be mechanical and everyone knows that using a type of mana other than your own is sorcery, then sorcery in and of itself shouldn't be ILLEGAL. If I'm running around incinerating people, or disrupting limbs, or energy manacling them, fine, arrest me, it's perverse... But how the hell is teaching the skill that I need to cast shadows from a rune illegal? I can't even use a rune right now because any time I try the friggin spell backfires and I get the shakes hardcore. At the very least, random NPCs shouldn't be able to accuse you of teaching someone how to cast clear vision when you both use holy mana. How do they know I use holy mana if they haven't seen me cast anything? I think this needs to be revisited, possibly change the 'sorcery' skill to something else even.

To be honest, Teaching the art of thievery should be just as illegal - to be consistent - in a justice zone - and its not.



<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>

Also: there is a long-time sorcerer that runs a shop, slightly south of the ferry from zoluren. No warrents have ever been given for her arrest <and i hope they won't be - where else can you buy a cart load of toad saliva? <G> But, to be consistent with the lore, there needs to be some sort of IC explanation why she is allowed to carry on her trade.

<looking for lore-fu stuff>





<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>

If you listen to a WM, Bard,MM,ranger or empath teach PM, you will learn sorcery, not pm. In-town, and nobody will give a darn. <you'd also learn from a necro teaching pm... but... necros don't usually hang around in town teaching.<G>>>>


Right, but I don't want to sit around town. I want to occasionally leave combat to get a few ticks of sorcery until I can use runetones to learn it. I just said PM because that is still the skill I would have to teach/listen to. I'm a demanding sort who likes things to be convenient and make sense and I want everything right now. :oD

Well, we all know who we're going to have to thank when teaching thievery becomes part of the justice system.

>>I want to occasionally leave combat to get a few ticks of sorcery until I can use runetones to learn it.

You can use runestones from 0 sorcery up at least past 150 sorcery.

>I've tried five different ones and every time my spell hopelessly backfires and it bakes my nerves.

Just focusing on the runestone will give you some sorcery experience. You don't have to invoke it.

>>To be honest, Teaching the art of thievery should be just as illegal - to be consistent - in a justice zone - and its not.>>>

Why? I could teach pick pocketing in the park and no one would care, it could be construed as a parlor trick.
- Buuwl

>>To be honest, Teaching the art of thievery should be just as illegal - to be consistent - in a justice zone - and its not.>>>

Why? I could teach pick pocketing in the park and no one would care, it could be construed as a parlor trick.
- Buuwl


think fagin in oliver twist. and think of he was sentenced to hang, even though he didn't do any stealing himself, just taught the skill. similar type situation. now back to your regularly scheduled sorcery :-).



<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>

I also kind of hate that Thievery is taught openly in the streets.

>To be honest, Teaching the art of thievery should be just as illegal - to be consistent - in a justice zone - and its not.

>>That could be arranged.

Make it so.

~~~
True heroism is remarkably sober, very undramatic. It is not the urge to surpass all others at whatever cost, but the urge to serve others at whatever cost.

It be nice if the following skills contested something when determining if the public notices your 'crimes'.

>Charisma
>Scholarship or Thievery (whichever is higher)
>Your general wanted status in the city (leverage 'hotness' system that Thieves utilize)
>How public of an are in (Justice System Outdoor vs Justice System Indoor).

Anyhow thats probably a bit ambitious for something that does not add much to the game.

IF teaching thievery openly in a justice zone follows the sorcery model, then the crime I could see it falling under would be aiding and abetting (if it's even still possible to get this crime heh). It's not quite the break out the pitchforks crime as sorcery is..but it's not quite innocent either. Aiding and Abetting seems like a reasonable compromise I think.

The only thing i'm really against on this topic, is people gwething about their stealing classes. I just find it irritating I guess. I just think to myself, would a town guard or whatever NPC type that would monitor gweth traffic overhearing this declaration, just ignore someone claiming to teach people how to steal? Probably not is my guess..but that's just how I think of it.

Blackguard Danoryiel

"Sogan udazama umbunor fau arrazoi inishatu seiremisai. (Only the fallen have nothing to despair)"

Personally I think Stealing and teaching it (Thievery) should be a two sided thing, one crimes, 2 what the Criminal element decide to do to you for creating to much heat for them and their fellows.

So I see you getting hit by justice, and (especially if you keep it up) then hit by Organized Crime for not paying your dues.

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"I think anything that forces you to do something no sane adventurer would do just in order to train is ridiculous."
DR-SOCHARIS

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Victory Over Lyras, on the 397th year and 156 days since the Victory of Lanival the Redeemer.

>>Sure, the pirates of Hara'jaal might make their living plundering from other provinces, but when you steal from a shop you're stealing from the pirates themselves.

Would love to see a "secret" pirate town/hideout that's outside justice (no shops, but maybe gem/furrier outposts), has high level hunting, and forces you to go PvP open upon disembarking on the docks

hi p3 necromancer guild.

<<Whatever happened to Hara'jaal?
hi p3 necromancer guild>>

Hara'jaal is P4. P3 is Ilithi.

But i'd like a guildhall in both. :-)



<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>